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Abuse of Power

Yep, the flight attendant gave instructions all right ... instructions which had nothing to do with safety or security, instructions which were based on nothing more than her own prejudice. The fact that the instruction was enforced by kicking the family off the plane was an abuse of power.

That sort of situation is exactly why laws are needed.

Yes says his own toddler would "yell blue murder" if someone required her to put a blanket over her head, yet that's exactly what he expects for someone else's child, simply because the child was nursing.

That's a double standard if there ever was one.

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Shouting about "the right to breastfeed in public" is a bit silly because it's usually allowed in most places anyway.

Point of fact: breastfeeding is tolerated as long as the woman conceals what is happening so few others even know. But if she's open about it, all hell breaks loose. People like Wheel call her a bitch. People like Gurtie argue strenuously that she deserves to be tossed of the plane. The examples Yes provides about how considerate people are to his wife support that point. If the culture truly accepted the nursing mother she would not have to hide behind screens.

I'll make one last comment:

Yes's statement to Jill that she's normal for not nursing a toddler might be (mostly) true in "western" society, but on a worldwide scale, it's perfectly normal for children to nurse well into the toddler stage.

Okay. I get it. I understand

Okay. I get it. I understand your point of view.

Now, can you not also consider that the mother pushed this a bit too far as well? Or that she had a hand in the results?

so long and thank you for the tits

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Yes says his own toddler would "yell blue murder" if someone required her to put a blanket over her head, yet that's exactly what he expects for someone else's child

My daughter would yell blue murder to have her head covered because she sits at a table for her meals. If she were sucking on a tit instead of using a spoon she'd manage without light.
:rolling eyes:

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Yes's statement to Jill that she's normal for not nursing a toddler might be (mostly) true in "western" society

Er, nursing into adolosence is a rich bitch syndrome (and sometimes the mother who can't let go). Only rich "western" women can afford the time and luxury of pandering to their brats well past the biological need. Poor women in the third world need to get back to work.

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breastfeeding is tolerated as long as the woman conceals what is happening so few others even know. But if she's open about it, all hell breaks loose

Most women I know prefer to do it discreetly.

But, listen, this discussion has really run its course. Let's agree to disagree as to what actually happened...

my last word as well

'cos I think its getting really silly now, but if you read what I said Buckworks you'll see that I said that from the reports in this case I thought it was quite likely that the woman did something other than breastfeeding which meant she was taken off the plane. I absolutely didn't say that she should be thrown off for breastfeeding.

While I understand you think my attitude sucks I can assure you that if I would passionately defend a womans right to breastfeed where it was either a) necessary or b) inoffensive to all around her, but I would also understand totally that some people would prefer not to see that.

My boyfriends parents, for example, would be deeply uncomfortable at seeing a woman breastfeed, they are not nutters, or bigots, or even prudes, they are simply in their late 60's and raised in an era when women did not breastfeed in public. They don't deserve to be either offended or ridiculed for feeling that way and if I could drape a blanket between my body and the people who I risked offending (who said over the kids head even? there are a lot of ways to drape a blanket you know) then I would because to me personally thats just good manners.

Sometimes good manners means accepting some inconvenience to you even if you have a 'perfect right' on legal and moral grounds to go right on doing whatever it is you want.

Sometimes

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Sometimes good manners means accepting some inconvenience

Agreed ... but that's certainly not how the flight attendant thought.

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I would also understand totally that some people would prefer not to see that.

Agreed, again ... but if the woman is not in anyone's line of sight unless they go out of their way to watch, it's unreasonable for them to take offense.

I'd be willing to bet that if your boyfriend's parents had a nursing mom as a guest in their home who was looking after her child in an out-of-the-way corner, they would not be so rude as to butt in and start telling her what to do, nor would they consider it a reason to order her out of the house.

I'm interested in how you think a blanket could cover the "problematic bits" without covering the child's head. Try as I might, I can't envision an arrangement that achieves that.

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nursing into adolosence is a rich bitch syndrome

(Gurtie, you asked earlier about inflammatory language? There's a prime example for you.)

Where did that comment come from? What does that have to do with anything?

I really wasn't going to say anything more, but I'm not capable of letting a line like that pass without comment. Ever hear of the logical fallacy called the "straw man"? You introduce something irrelevant and off-topic so you can pretend to be proving something when you shoot it down.

Okay can we lock this thread

Okay can we lock this thread now?

Breasts Need A Rest ;)

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Wow...

I thought this thread would be tits up by now but people udderly just keep milking it...

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I Love the last two posts.

Thanks DG and IB :-)

My last word then.. as it's the theme...

I'd be willing to bet that if your boyfriend's parents had a nursing mom as a guest in their home who was looking after her child in an out-of-the-way corner, they would not be so rude as to butt in and start telling her what to do, nor would they consider it a reason to order her out of the house.

The parents would either say 'Would you like to feed in prvate, in the spare room?' or perhaps 'I'll just make a cup of tea whilst you feed'

In either case the woman would (if a decent, sensible person) realise what was going on and offer to go to another room - without any sort of fuss.

Again, you are missing the point. She was asked twice, she refused, she was removed. Buckworks, abuse of power could be a fair point - but that is not the drum that you want to keep banging.

ok really my last word!

>>I'm interested in how you think a blanket could cover the "problematic bits" without covering the child's head. Try as I might, I can't envision an arrangement that achieves that.

Just use it as a screen. If I were sitting in a right window seat on a plane I would drape the blanket over my left shoulder and across to my right knee, holding it taught between my knee and the seat or to the little coat hook thing most seats have on them. That would create a diagonal 'tent' which blocked the view of everyone who was not looking through the window or immediately above the seat. It doesn't seem that hard to me and would only touch the kids feet or possibly more of its body if it were bigger.

And yes that would involve her feeding with the right not left breast for a larger child if the blanket weren't to touch it. She'd only just started feeding - she wasn't out of milk, sore on that side, a mastectomy sufferer or unable to support the child with her right arm as far as we know so I think that we can accept that while that may have involved small inconvenience the kid wouldn't be traumatised by doing things that way and nor would she.

Of course I woulda smacked the "infant"...

...over the head and told him/her that free apple juice was on the way.

Also, the woman would have had NO complaints whatsoever here in Holland. People just can't be arsed to be shocked by a nursing mother, unless maybe if she were completely naked and chanting incantations and waving a large knife at the time.

But on the other hand: had I been a flight attendant and had I encountered a woman purposely making a display of herself and her ...umm... assets and their practical use, I would NOT have tolerated being ignored or disobeyed.

Again: we don't really know what has happened.
Also again: we won't know for sure until MC has spoken. Please hold the locking of the thread till he has :-)

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