Dodgy Blog Spam Scripts Found for Sale

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Cheap Blog Spamming Script, Blog Spam Comment Submission Software, & Lists of Spamable Blogs
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Well, you knew it would happen sooner or later right? Aaron Wall posts about blog spam scripts he's found for sale on the net. The worst thing is, it's not only bloggers who'll suffer from the mainstreaming of comment spam...

No, it's SEO's who'll bear a huge brunt aswell. There is already much mistrust of SEO as some kind of "black art", when in reality the majority of people in the industry don't do much worse than create a few useless filler pages and actively seek out or buy links <---no, that's not meant as a summary of what SEO's do heh.. but it's about as rule bending and destructive as it gets for most folk...

Check out this $300 script (http:/***/www.webwapstudio.com/submitter.html) that includes the following features:

  • Autosubmit to unlimited sites
  • Use browser simulate system for anonymous Your requests
  • Use random proxies
  • Use random User agents
  • Use random Referer sites
  • Easy install and use

And as Aaron says, that's the same price as one link in the Yahoo directory - at that kind of ridiculous price, it wont be long before we have a tidal wave of newbie blog spammers hitting the web.

The thing is, everyone suffers - the pro blog spammers suffer, the bloggers suffer (as more live sites get hit) and SEO's already tarnished reputation takes yet another body blow as it's enevitably associated with the practice of blog spam.

There'll be quite a kerfuffle over this im sure...

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Threadwatch in shock horror mode

People have blogs, people decide to "spam" them, people decide to automate that, people decide to sell such software, seo book [amongst others] points out a few who do....will the world ever be the same again?

heh...

I cant help myself this late at night NFFC, aarons post was just too good an op for an attention grabber :)

Nick = Headline Whore

You can buy these on Ebay

for $150...

11k blogs is nowhere near enough

look into getting a few million into your DB and you can be happy. So am I. ;)

You offering to Sell?

Hi Thomas, are you offering to sell your DB or are you just bragging? :)

if the price is right

but hey seriously, nobdoy who has a good tool would sell it as he would never get the money he could earn by using it.

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Not true. these guys probably built the tool for someone else. They are probably Indian programmers sitting in Bangalore and have no idea of the commercial worth of what they are selling.

So how many people will buy the software and announce themselves to the world as master SEMs?

Its not that hard...

...to build a tool that can format and send a POST request, you can do it with fairly basic programming skills. Getting the proxy stuff and reporting etc sorted takes a bit more time, but how many people who buy these tools will be able to build up a good sized db of dead blogs to hit? Not that many I'd wager.

My guess is that the main effect of tools like this becoming readily available is that lots more live blogs will get hit, blog owners who look after their blogs will have to spend more time deleting comments, but the tools will have limited success for people that buy them if they just fire them up and click the 'go' button.

Plenty

They are probably Indian programmers sitting in Bangalore and have no idea of the commercial worth of what they are selling.

Bulgarian, actually.

As for its perceived value - let's not forget that you'll get a lot more bang for your buck in Bulgaria, so what may be "only $300" for you might easily translate into $1000 or more in buying power where they are domiciled.

Also, it makes them more competitive - good marketing, all in all.

So how many people will buy the software and announce themselves to the world as master SEMs?

THAT, of course, it where the real rub lies. Personally, I would expect plenty, esp. "search engine submission services".

Furthermore, we'll probably see this (and copycatted stuff) being flogged big time via the MLM and affprog rat lines, soon. It's happening with "blog & ping" tactics already.

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Really? I have an office in Bulgaria. I will beat the shit out of them next time I am over.

suprised it took this long

Had to happen sooner rather than later

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The framework it offers isn't a bad starting point to build upon but the codebase is crudely obfuscated (Encryption would be too kind of a word) and took about 10 minutes to get clean Perl.

Coding style itself isn't glorious but far from terrible.

I hope the site gets shut down, not because I dislike the principle of blog spam but I don't want it to be mainstream and end up at the point that the only way to rank for "green widgets with yellow widgetty bits added" is via this route.

I am suprised 2 Checkout have left this one live as they are the retailer rather than the payment processor (legally speaking) and therefore opening themselves up to the shit it might deliver

no big deal

- it's just a software vendor, that's all.

>> nobdoy who has a good tool would sell it

I guess Bill Gates would disagree on that. Also, some people give away perfectly good tools for free, with source code and all. Fantomaster, wouldn't you agree that this is a business by itself - developing and selling tools? Nothing inherently wrong with that, imho.

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>> wouldn't you agree that this is a business by itself - developing and selling tools? Nothing inherently wrong with that, imho.

Well I never thought much of arms manufacturers.

I might have a word with this guy since he's just down the road. He looks like a nasty piece of work. There was also a US domain dispute from AT&T awarded against him:

http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2003/d2003-0427.html

Agreed

Right, it's the old knife thing: you can't really hold the producer (or, for that matter, the vendor) of knives responsible if someone abuses a kitchen knife to kill someone. Obviously, if all your stuff can do is kill with no other use at all, the jury may come to a different conclusion, but a lot of this is merely in the eyes of the beholder.

Take cloaking as an example: of course it can be “abused” for all sorts of shit - but that's certainly not its only feature and asset. However, people tend to disagree wildly on this issue, but that's just something everyone will simply have to put up with.

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Any ideas how this software can be used productively?

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>>>Any ideas how this software can be used productively?

I'm sure my definition of productive is far different than your definition Sly ;)

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Doubt it. It's just when weapons are sold to people who aren't members of the gun club that things can get out of hand.

Possibly

Well, think of automated submission to a large number of blogs like cross posting relevant to many instances rather than having to do it by hand.

While I have my doubts that the majority of buyers may employ it that way, it's something I wouldn't rule out for myself if I were into that sort of thing.

that might be to stretch it

...a little, comparing these scripts to arms.

Anyway, i know that blog spam is extremely annoying to the blog owners/publishers. I don't deny that. This is just one software developer, though. Even if you don't like what s/he does, the problem is not the scripts out there or the writers of these, it's the fact that blog spam has become a business opportunity.

If the search engines did not assign value to blog spam then we would not have that problem.

When people above speak about assembling databases of millions of blogs, then i would think search engines could collect such databases as well, and simply discount all the links there.

In the absense of search engine intervention, more competition in this field should drive profits down and make it a less attractive market segment overall.

So, "who will benefit the most from these scripts not being in the open?" one could ask.

Unfortunately, in this process blog spam may increase dramatically, which, again, should open opportunities for other software vendors to make a buck on the removal of blog spam. Which, again, (again, ) is easier if the methods of spamming are known in detail.

So, there are pro's and con's as always...

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>>In the absense of search engine intervention, more competition in this field will drive profits down and make it a less attractive market segment overall.

Nice economic theory Claus. But by the time it's not profitable the blog landscape will be rubble.

I don't think much of the solution of SEs discounting all blog links either. Why should bloggers' opinions be ingored in SE algos? To be effective the SEs would have to collect a database of blogs which are abused. Not all blogs. That is not easy.

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>Why should bloggers' opinions be ingored in SE algos?

Because they can't be trusted.

>To be effective the SEs would have to collect a database of blogs which are abused. Not all blogs. That is not easy.

Its trivial. Define spam web pages, indentify other web pages that have a high % of outbounds to spam web pages, nuke. Three easy steps.

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Well this is off topic now but...

>>Because they can't be trusted.

And websites are more trustworthy? A website can be free (hosting/domain) just as a blog can so what's the difference?

>>Its trivial. Define spam web pages, indentify other web pages that have a high % of outbounds to spam web pages, nuke. Three easy steps.

I would have trouble defining a spam webpage unless you are talking about hidden text or keyword stuffing. Normally these days the spam is what points at the page rather than the page itself. The pages gaining rankings are often clean. So I would be stumped at step 1.

If you want to define a spam page as a page with lots of spammy links pointing at it then you go down the "damage competitor" route.

perhaps there's no solution

It just occurred to me that perhaps there's no solution to this. Just like email spam, as long as it's free to send out and can be automated it does pay off, even with very low conversion rates.

By the way, whatever happened to guestbook spam? I don't hear a lot about that anymore. Did it stop working or what?

Pretty funny...

...that you two (you know who) have a blog spamming neighbor.

If they really wanted to cause an uproar they could spam blogs to get their blog spam software page ranked highly for "SEO tools" or something of that nature. What fun that would be.

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Yeah. I am amazed the fool is not hiding his identity. My IT guy told me that the state telecom company would be very interested in some of the SMS spam software he wrote.

What's up?

Is it technically illegal, what he's doing over there? I mean, it's not as if he were writing trojans or worms or something, at least not as far as we know ...

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It's Bulgaria. It doesn't work quite like the west.

If he is compromising the BTK's telephone network they can put pressure on him in other ways which might seem "unconventional".

Ah, the old "rubber hose decryption" strategy ...

Beyond some minor frills or so, things never really change, do they?

I would not touch it !!

the law is a funny thing, I often wondered if the goverments would change the law and make it illegal to deface other peoples websites, if they do and get hold of the records from that company.. banged to rights for all users would be my guess..

DaveN

Gone

Looks like the site ran out of bandwidth. Just think of all those 1000s of new, ready-made blog spammers priming their new tools thinking they're going to become overnight millionaires

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