An SEM Agony Aunt? Sheesh.....

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Search Engine Advice Column Hopes To Shatter SEO/SEM Myths
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Oh boy, veteran white hat supremacist and IHU moderator Kal, has lauched the "Dear Kalina" blog. An SEM agony aunt, just what I always wanted! Now, every time i feel the need to whine like a baby over my rankings, and spit at those above me, for the true spammers they are, i have a place to go, hurrah!

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Now that blog is true drivel, it made me nausious...

ah come on

if she starts doing it properly it might be fun

"Dear Linkless Wonder,

Google hates you because you're a sad loser. If you can't tell by reading anywhere at all that Google only shows a selection of backlinks you probably can't read so there's no point my answering you. For gods sake get off your arse and start actually promoting your site properly instead of whinging about it.

Best Wishes

etc"

In the interest of accuracy

Kal left IHY months ago. I think the only forum on which she currently moderates is SEW.

AGONY is the perfect fit!

ugh...

Wow you guys will bitch

Wow you guys will bitch about anything!

That said, there are some inaccuracies in Kal's answer. Me thinks she's not keeping up with the latest these days? Not showing backlinks with PR of less than 4 is so 2002.

2003 Actually

Hey Jill, I noticed that you gave pretty similar advice to a reader called Joshua in your newsletter in April 2003. I haven't noticed any major change in Google's backlink protocol since then. But perhaps I missed something. Care to clarify my inaccuracies?

Gurtie - I'm guessing my posts will get less and less tactful depending on my patience - could be fun indeed.

Nick - two spelling errors in one post? Hurrah!
(and thanks for the White Hat Supremacist title, very catchy).

I haven't noticed any major

...I haven't noticed any major change in Google's backlink protocol since then. But perhaps I missed something.

A lot of changes in the way google deals with backlinks since April 2003 Kalina.

SEO is a fast moving business, it changes everyday. Maybe it is time that all those so called SEO's that don't bother "chasing the algos" should find some other work that they can keep up with.

FYI - Just one of the changes in the way google handles backlinks (in just the last year) is that google no longer just displays pages that are PR4 or greater in the backlinks - I thought every SEO in the world knew that - Well come to think about it, maybe every real SEO in the world did know...

Ah Lots0, always a pleasure

You are such a ray of sunshine. Always so polite and professional. I never said GG ONLY displayed PR4 and higher pages. I just said that lower PR pages MAY not show up in backlink searches. Looks like there is much less emphasis on that now - a good thing. Must've escaped my attention while I was having a life. I will edit my post to avoid confusion.

lol

Good answer to Googlestumped Kal. I think Aussie bluntness may be your USP....

Could be!

It's definitely more fun

Pardon me for being a bit

Pardon me for being a bit short, but...

Who cares which links they display? Does it matter? It never bothered me and I have not looked at google backlinks since 2002 :)

Does it matter?

Only when you have to deal with clients asking you why the links you got them are being ignored by Google.

Kal, as the others have

Kal, as the others have said, Google deals with backlinks very differently than they did way back in 2003. That was what I meant in my post about the inaccuracies. Basically, it's useless to even use Google's backlink command now, and they definitely show less than PR4 pages, in fact it seems most of the ones they show ARE less than PR4 for some strange reason!

Ah Lots0, always a pleasure. You are such a ray of sunshine.

Thanks Kalina, I am going to steal one of Karl Roves tricks and just keep reepeating what you said about me over and over again until thay become true...

Lots0's Talking Points for 6-05:

lots0 = ray of sunshine
lots0 = always a pleasure
lots0 = polite
lots0 = professional

***

Kal editing your post after the fact, is not going to change the FACT that due to your lack of education and research in SEO, you have been giving out bogus info to newbes for your own profit, how very white hat and professional of you.

(looking in the mirror, I say to myself) I am a ray of sunshine, I am a professional, I'm polite and I am always a pleasure to be around, just ask Kal ;-).

Side Note: Kal, I did add a spelling and grammar error or two, just for you.

Sprung by Forum Roadkill

Thanks for clarifying Jill. Yes, that's right lots0. For my own profit. I get paid thousands by Google to blog but I am trying to disguise it under the veil of a free service. You've sprung me! Congratulations.

it should be a book.

hmmm...Kal you admittedly don't keep up with all the details of SEO so why blog? Seems like your time would be better spent writing a SEO book.

I get paid thousands by Google to blog...

I never said anything about google Kal.

The profit I was talking about are all the newbes you are trying to convince to purchase your so called "SEO service".

With your lack of current search engine knowledge, those newbes that purchase your services are getting exactly what? A history lesson in SEO circa 2002...

If your SE knowledge, is lacking (from not chasing the algo) what value is your advice or service?

Do you just fall into that category of SEO that offers a lot but in fact provides little or nothing and can even hurt their clients from their lack of knowledge?

I am sorry to be so blunt Kal, but what I see from you is what I consider to be the real black hat in SEO, people that don't have a clue about SEO (or only part of a clue) that are trying desperately to sell their "SEO Services"...

Forgive me for interupting

Forgive me for interupting the party, but i think Kal can finish this one off if she likes, then we'll call it a day.

It's all going a bit wonkey, but as kal's the one under fire i think we let her have the last say if she wants.

all your Kal..

I'm not Kalena

...or even Kalina, whoever that might be, but I'd like to add something.

Personally, I like to see a person who's made a mistake thank the people who've corrected them, no matter what that mistake might have been. It shows that they've got a decent amount of humility, and that they're willing to learn. Kal did that.

What I don't get is people who use one error as the basis of the conclusion that that person's "SE knowledge, is lacking (from not chasing the algo)" and ask "what value is [their] advice or service". Based on one mistake which has been accepted. That's a pretty big conclusion to draw based on a failure to notice that G's link: query is even less useful than it used to be.

I just don't see such attitudes as helpful, but of course that's just my opinion. If you all think one mistake of this magnitude is enough to damn a person's career, I guess that's your right.

Sorry Nick, but I can't just let the last comment go.

...one error as the basis of the conclusion that that person's "SE knowledge, is lacking (from not chasing the algo)" and ask "what value is [their] advice or service". Based on one mistake which has been accepted.

First, let me state that this is not the first thing of Kal's I have read. I have known of Kal for some years.

Second, "chasing the algo" is what SEO's do, if you don't your not an SEO. a webpage designer or an internet marketer does not have to "chase the algo", but your not an SEO if don't "chase that algo".

I think asking the value of someone’s advice or service is a completely justified question, especially if that person makes FUNDAMENTAL mistakes in fact in their “advice” or "service".

So I suppose, if Kal’s lack of knowledge has hurt some people that believed her and followed(purchased) her “advice” or "product" that is OK too, cuz she is your friend qwerty? (Maybe you should have pointed out your not just a casual observer, Kal is your friend - just for the sake of honest discussion.)

I am sorry, but I have seen far too many people hurt by shoddy advice given by pretend SEOs, to sit around and keep my mouth shut.

I just don't see such attitudes as helpful, but of course that's just my opinion. If you all think one mistake of this magnitude is enough to damn a person's career, I guess that's your right.

I see exposing SEO charlatans of any magnitude as very helpful to everyone, except the charlatan.

The SEO industry has a crisis with image, it is all the talk and yet no one dares to say anything to the charlatans out there, cuz it will hurt their "career", it is no wonder SEO has such a bad image crisis.

Yes,

I consider her a friend. That's not the only reason I posted, however. I have, at various times, posted in defense of people I didn't know. I've posted in defense of people with whom I'd had disagreements.

Not that I'm asking you to, but you didn't spell out all the problems you've had with Kal in the past. What you did was equate this one error with proof of total failure. And that's the only problem I expressed with what you wrote.

Look at what you wrote, Lots0. You point out that at least part of my reason for writing was personal. How about you? Was that something you'd write about anyone, or was their something personal in it?

I see exposing SEO

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I see exposing SEO charlatans of any magnitude as very helpful to everyone, except the charlatan.

I do too, but calling Kal an SEO charlatan is quite a stretch, and in fact, fairly libelous, imo.

I'm with lots0. Call

I'm with lots0. Call yourself and sell yourself however you want, but if you aren't algorithm testing, an SEO you are not. I don't call my accountant surgeon for the same reason. Even if he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night..

It's all in your def.

Well like most of these threads it all comes down to your definition of SEO. And we already know that we'll never have consensus on that.

Thanks Jill, i think that's

Thanks Jill, i think that's as good a place as any to put this one to bed now...

Thanks everyone.

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