Clickz.com - Bunch of Arrogant Wankers?

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All the indicators would say yes, they are a bunch of arrogant, rude, wankers - That story almost certainly came from our coverage of Andy Beal's resignation. Where's the damn link Kevin Newcomb? A shitty non-linked mention of 'threadwatch.org' won't keep everyone from finding out why you really don't wanto to link to the story itself...

So you'd like your readers to think you found that information about the lawsuit against Jason Dowdell yourself eh? That information is buried deep in an SEC filing, you didn't just 'find it', you found it here, and should have the common courtesy to link, like anyone else (except CNet of course..)

Even if, contrary to all reason, pigs do in fact fly, and you did dredge out that info on your own, it's just plain rude not to link. Period.

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They didn't even hyperlink

They didn't even hyperlink "SearchEngineLowdown.com" in the article, lol.

Jupiter

Isn't ClickZ owned by Jupiter and doin't they share media space and web space with SearchEngineWatch.com? - I constantly see cross-referencing between the two.

Pretty not cool, though...

Yes Jupiter owns SEW

Yes Jupiter owns SEW & ClickZ. Recently Alan Meckler said they bought SEW in 1997 and ClickZ in September of 2000.

I don't think the lead editors (like Rebecca Lieb I think) have time to make sure everything is perfectly linked. They have tons of articles from a wide variety of authors, some of them might make mistakes or forget (or depending on person and circumstance possibly be wankers), but many of them link away all the time.

The article has a feedback link under the guys name. Sending an inquery probably would hve got you the link.

>They didn't even hyperlink "SearchEngineLowdown.com" in the article, lol.

I didn't either, considering what happened and me thinking I would probably side with Andy whatever it was.

Forget, my arse...

Plain as day

Unfortunately, Nick, this is

Unfortunately, Nick, this is not just a ClickZ thing - I see all sorts of medias that does this all the time. I have "blacklisted" a few Danish medias that I used to feed industry news but after they published them a couple of times without even mentioning me as a source I dropped them. Now I have other medias that gets all my tips and news.

Polite request

Nick, whilst I agree a link should have been credited, I do want to raise a slightly different issue, and that is:

Is there really any need for words like "wankers" "fuck off" "bastards" etc etc in posts on TW.

I am as open minded as the next bloke, but personally just feel that calling people these names just ain't gonna solve anything in the long run.

I remember having a chat with an employee from a company who had been called a bunch of bastards or similar, and this employee (female) was deeply upset at being labelled as this by someone she didn't even know.

At the same time, you can always say "Shak you communist ****, go fuck yourself and find somewhere else to post" and that's your god given right.

Shak

Maybe...

...it's better to "rate" the company, rather than its employees (in general). Alas, the words to describe a company or organisation are less graphic than the ones to categorise the persons in it ;-] I hope somebody can come up with some.

Sidenote: shak, are you really a commie?

I was trying to say the same

I was trying to say the same thing as Shak, but in a less direct sort of way.

Not that I mind the curse words (I think I do it often too), but you have to sorta accept that if you are going to publish the breaking news that some people are going to snub you.

It is easier to get them to stop snubbing just by asking them first, and then you keep more signal less noise that way too. If they still continue to snub away then smear them, but it is going to work better longterm for both parties involved if they like you and want to link to your site.

Actually, there are some

Actually, there are some words i just dont tolerate here, hence a few small edits to your post shak, but in general, this is a website for grownups, not children.

If i want to have a snipe at some rude bastard for not having the common courtesty to link, I will.

TW has always been a colorful place, and in amongst the news there are the occasional rants. I like it that way :)

Nicks place

I think we all have to accept that this is Nicks place and if we want our own places then we are free to create our own. Personally I find it works better to be polite most of the time but one of the things that gives TW character is the forthright and unvarnished views :O)

True Chris, but it doesn't

True Chris, but it doesn't hurt to bring these things up from time to time, i was just talking to shak and said that as tw gets bigger, this just becomes more noticeable - but at the end of the day, unless someone's going to salary me to do this stuff, im sticking to my guns :)

this is not just a ClickZ

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this is not just a ClickZ thing

A lot of the more conventional (non-blog) web based press has gotten stingy with links. Isn't C-Net another one? As I remember it they all used to link more freely up until the Searchking lawsuit when many started not linking to SK for fear of Google PR0 linking penalties. That whole Google PR0 thing is the original sin in this, I suspect.

Major organisations...

...afraid of linking to PR0 pages??? Sheesh, huge case of tin-foil hat there. I haven't seen a Seochat newbie ask about that in ages... I was sure that one was a known myth by now (!?)

Sheesh, huge case of

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Sheesh, huge case of tin-foil hat there.

This was back when everyone was very paranoid about it, Wit. They probably don't remember the original reasons for not linking anymore, they just don't do it now out of habit or editorial guidelines, but I sorta think that is the root cause.

Google's dominance could feel oppresive back then.

in amongst the news there

in amongst the news there are the occasional rants.

hehehe. I recently got a link, where the linking site gave me this description
"Interesting rants about Google and its competitors"

I always liked it better Nick when you used the word Rant as part of a longer word which it rhymed with rant, in bold, with a TM at the end of it.

Nick, I probably spend more

Nick,

I probably spend more time on this site than any other in my boookmarks. Part of the reason I come is that it is fun and sometimes crude and often colorful.

So I do have to respectfully disagree with Shak; you have added the words "bollocks" and "wanker" to my vocabulary, and I can't thank you enough.

Sincerely,

Andy Hagans

"bollocks" and "wanker"

Colourful epithets from Middle England, I assume, rather than Middle America.

Heh

Perhaps there should be a TW Glossary of colourful epithets? ;O) or just point to the roger mellie profanithaurus :O)

As much as I appreciate...

...an uncut version of any rant, personally I prefer to use variants like "sloblock" (Alas Smith and Jones quote???) and asterisked swear words like ar*ed. That's what you get if you post a lot at an American forum, even if you aren't offended by the most shocking of words yourself.

I guess it's an audience thing. If you want gazillions of people to buy a car you're about to design, choose the Vauxhall (Opel) Astra route instead of TVR ;-]

corporate bollocks

I dont think the heading of this thread would have the same ring to it if you called them "self-important impolite masturbaters", now would it, come on!!

Er... Shak what the fuck is your post all about, of all the people I know you use the word "fuck" more than most, have you been out in the sun today or something..??

are you trying to say that corporate employees don't fucking swear or something

ClickZ Weighs In

Lots of assumptions in your post, Nick.

For the record, ClickZ learned of Andy's news on Andy's blog. In fact, I spotted it and asked him to do the story. We got some additional details from Search Engine Watch -- part of the ClickZ Network. Kevin did learn one detail of the story on threadwatch.org and correctly sourced it.

Rebecca Lieb
Executive Editor, The ClickZ Network

Regardless ..Still no link

What's up with that?

Even if, contrary to all

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Even if, contrary to all reason, pigs do in fact fly, and you did dredge out that info on your own, it's just plain rude not to link. Period.

Save it. That stands regardless of any other point I may have made.

however...

No one else at all had that lawsuit info. It's way to obscure to have been noticed by anyone by chance, or in digging for a story. I was pointed to it, and posted it. You took it as your own find.

Rude.

ClickZ's source for the lawsuit info

No one else at all had that lawsuit info. It's way to obscure to have been noticed by anyone by chance, or in digging for a story. I was pointed to it, and posted it. You took it as your own find.

Nick,

I've been reading ThreadWatch for awhile now, and I think you're doing a great job here. I get mad too when it seems like someone has stolen a story or parts of a story from me, so I want to set the record straight.

I found the info on Danny's blog, which points to the lawsuit mentioned on Barry's blog. I'll accept being called a wanker for not linking, since there's little that I can do about that. But I must defend my honor against being called a thief.

Wankers.

'nuff said ;-)

A strange battle to fight, Nick.

ClickZ has been around for a long time - long before most others jumped aboard the bandwagon.

They are a classy outfit with outstanding content and coverage. Many of the people we most respect write for ClickZ including Mike Grehan, Danny Sullivan, Kevin Lee, and many more.

I started writing a column for clickz a couple of months ago and my experience with them has been excellent.

You don't win respect by bad mouthing one of the oldest and most respected content providers in our space, especially in an instance where you are angry you didn't get a link. I would feel fortunate that you were referenced.

Moving forward, you might be damaging the willingness of other columnists to consider even a mention of TW. I've respected your work for some time Nick. This was a very silly battle to wage however and very poor choices of words.

I started writing a column

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I started writing a column for clickz a couple of months ago

Why should i care how old they are? Rude is rude, regardless of age.

Your involvement might be clouding your judgement no?

Whatever the rights and wrongs

..isn't the nub of it that ClickZ appear to have a corporate policy "no links in articles"

Given that the rest of their pages are a mass of paid or inter-corporate, links, you may think that is a nutty corporate policy to exclude them from articles.

But having worked for corporations in the distant past, once policies are set, there they tend to stay. ClickZ just appear not to "do" links in articles, period.

Geez have you guys been to

Geez have you guys been to Threadwatch before? This site has a certain style, like any site. The style happens to be the selling point, for me.

Meanwhile--if you want to read an SEO / marketing / tech blog that sucks up to everyone, sticky me. I'll give you a dozen or more URLs :-)

>Why should i care how old they are? Rude is rude, regardless of age.

Exactly

Interesting..

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You don't win respect by bad mouthing one of the oldest and most respected content providers in our space, especially in an instance where you are angry you didn't get a link

...and you lose respect by defending the indefensible, paticularly when your self interest is involved.

I don't think Nick posts stuff like that in order to 'win respect' and they certainly don't qualify as 'most respected' in my books.

As for 'in our space', well I can only conclude that we don't share the same space, old chap.

*zing*

*zing*

Our space

In "our space" we link. Has been that way since TBL invented it, innit?

must be the heat

must be the heat or something as certain posts above are way over my head.

and just for the record, Nick W and I do go back a long way, just like a few others on here, in fact Nick was 1 of my mentors at WMW along with being the source of friday nite calls at 1am when we'd put the world and wmw to right, so we do go back in case some of the new brigade want to try and cause trouble.

back to the original posting I made, "I" just felt that swearing on a public board read by many professionals is NOT the way to go (in my opinion)

Shak

we're "professionals" now???

we're "professionals" now??? I didn't get that memo ;-)

:)

You certainly are aren't you, i'm unemployable.

Anyway, I'm to have a XXXX

hmm...

I don't see a lawsuit mentioned on either of the two URLs you reference (SEW or SER)

my mistake...

I don't see a lawsuit mentioned on either of the two URLs you reference

I apologize for the mistake. I thought that I had gotten the info from there. I have since edited the story to reflect that the lawsuit was first reported by Threadwatch.

Robyns dinner time, check in

Robyns dinner time, check in in half an hour or so kevin and i'll have something more interesting to say heh..

What is the problem with linking?

I'd assumed, as i was on my way out of the office, that you'd actually linked to us.

Sheesh, what's wrong with you guys?

Kevin, you've been a member here for 8mts, and you and i both know that this is not the first story you've sourced from here. Other writers at clicz have linked, some have not - i've never made an issue of it as it was always ambiguous as to where you actually got the info from in the past but man, what is your problem?

You do understand how the internet works right?

Nick, its their company policy

..or so it would appear. Kevin said

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I'll accept being called a wanker for not linking, since there's little that I can do about that.

They've linked to us on a

They've linked to us on a few occasions though..

I assumed he meant "hands up, im a baddie.."

ClickZ & linking

Up to them to speak for themselves, but I couldn't find any recent examples of linking - I tried 10 articles at random.

Jupiter Media are capitalised at $650 Million.

If its company policy, I doubt if one small cog (sorry Kevin) could do much about altering their linking policy.

(Actually I am quite bemused by the whole thing in this ClickZ example, I make my money from Travel sites, and nobody links to anybody in Travel without money changing hands)

I remember recently heavily

I remember recently heavily outlinked articles, so the company policy is a bit shaky. I don't want to point at any one specific article though as I am not trying to point out any person.

If generally no linking is their company policy they should unf*ck it IMHO.

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