High Risk SEO - Good for Long Term Sites or just Burnables?

Thread Title:
1st page of google is easy for Blackhats
Thread Description:

Here's something we rarely see discussed in anything even approaching an adult manner: How effective are so called "black hat" techniques for long term sites?

Generally these topics devolve into name calling and silliness from the vociferous "play by the rules" crowd but it's an interesting question if you can rise above any moral/ethical debate and look at it from a clinical point of view.

The whole thread is pretty interesting even though young as yet, here's a snippet from speedle who started the thread:

Google algos to stop blackhat technques are a myth. I have proved this over the last three years.
Google relies on their army of unoffical seo investigators to report blackhats.
The only site I have ever had banned was when I mentioned the url here.
Say no more it speaks for itself.

So, are high risk seo sites sustainable?


speedle has passed the test... long live speedle

As you well know Nick – speedle is just telling like it is, SE can’t detect a cold. They do not care -- G turned a problem into a profitable solution. The alago was stuffed they replied by adwords/adsense + introducing flawed results… and now many players use the new G system

The results from most SE’s are nothing short of crap -- sure they might have billions of pages indexed but they cannot produce information that has not been made available by the spammers, sorry SEO’s … SEO’S are doing the SE’s work for them.


I hear you Richard,

Greg Boser (Webguerilla) had something interesting to say that relates to this some weeks back:

The Google PR department is probably going to print this thread and hang it on
the wall as a testimonial to the effectiveness of their spam control brain
washing campaign.

The only reason you thought they were able to automatically prevent that type
of content from showing up is because they've spent a lot of time and money
telling you that they can.

The reality is that the majority of spammers in the U.S. that end up getting
dumped from the database are removed because of some type of human
intervention, not some new, high-tech automated spam terminating cyborg that
they developed.

Since the U.S. market generates the most traffic, the humans that are in
charge of keeping everything looking nice and clean, tend to focus their time
and effort on the most high-profile areas of search activity

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