Delicious and the 'Box

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Graywolf recently made a post about social bookmarking and the Google Sandbox:

I’d like to take this opportunity to prove the value social bookmarking can play in getting your website out of the sandbox. I’ll be dissecting my own site and Rand of SEOMoz has been kind enough to allow me to pick apart his traffic a little too.

He said he would be interested in a few more data points, but I think he is spot on with that post.

A while ago I posted that I thought there would be people who worked on nothing but the Wikipedia, and I have already been informed that people have already filled that position. So the question comes to mind, will anyone sell social blog posts? Or if you know how to get listed is it worth keeping that post for yourself? Darren recently wrote a guide to getting on the popular page of Del.icio.us and oddly enough it did :)

In my eyes viral blog spamming? (not sure if that is the right word) seems to be one of the most effective SEO techniques on the market right now. Reminds me of a thread by NFFC about how so many things go to the lowest common denominator and when Rand mentioned an article about horse sex being the most popular Seattle Times news article ever.

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selling social blog posts

Yea, it's already happening. I recently had to remove a bunch of spammy posts at Sitepoint from people wanting to sell posts on their MySpace accounts. I'm sure that's just the tiny tip of the iceburg.

I am not talking about

I am not talking about people doing the $5 a post spam stuff...I mean people knowing how to get on top of Del.icio.us being hired to write and market one post that gets to the top of Del.icio.us.

Should be able to test it

Should be able to test it out - Bill's SEO by the Sea blog is boxed six ways from sunday and he recently made del.icio.us/popular and Digg with his look at all of Google's acquisitions.

I was talking to a friend

I was talking to a friend just yesterday. The topic was "why dont seo's understand viral marketing"?

Easy peasy - lots of links = good

why dont seo's understand viral marketing

I think we do by and large but it's hard to get viral links to a phen spam site ;)

mid term thinking

it's hard to get viral links to a phen spam

I'd never suggest that someone build a genuinely helpful website and then ... err ... refocus it slightly.

Viral

It's harder to button push a viral effect, much easier to simulate one .. like having 100 del.icio.us accounts or something

they do get it, Nick

SEOs do get it, Nick, and they have been practicing it on each other for a long time now. Practice makes perfect, right?

I can't count how many times I've advised clients on creative "link magnets" before the seo world coined the term "link baiting". it's a natural intro for Ad people to the web world, bringing SEO into the backend infrastructure.

Sadly, in the ad world they still build viral holiday cards sent by email (flash pages and the like) and wait by the phone for the calls to come in during January, ignorant of their own site traffic.

We practiced some viral

We practiced some viral tactics on sites which we knew could later be transformed into SEO'd commercial sites after the viral hype stopped and left them with PR5's and 6's. Worked pretty well, sometimes it's hit or miss as to whether they really catch fire though.

I think that large (community) sites will have tremendous opportunities to show signals of quality to search engines by creating viral features this year. With a push into all the online frontiers that are so behaviorally data rich the search engines are obviously going to keep delving into weighting based on factors that are more and more difficult to manipulate (at first!).

Viral Huh....

The only thing I know about viral is transmitted by sneezing and humping. I am a webmaster trying to get learn about SEO. This blog is a bit over my head, can anyone suggest a site more suited for beginners at SEO?

Viral

I recommend you download seth godins unleashing the ideavirus.

that's not the punch line for that setup.

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I am a webmaster trying to get learn about SEO. This blog is a bit over my head, can anyone suggest a site more suited for beginners at SEO?

the answer to that setup coming in 5.....4.......3.......2......1.....

Obnoxious ....but predictable

the answer to that setup coming in 5.....4.......3.......2......1.....

That was cute! I was wondering which person would jab me for asking. Thank you guys who privately sent me some information to help me learn more. Perhaps I would be insulted by your jab if my real career did not earn me the respect and admiration of my colleagues without having to hang around boards and belittle those less experienced than me.

Afreshup

I sent you a private message.

Perhaps I would be insulted

Perhaps I would be insulted by your jab

I don't think the jab was at you man ;)

I am guessing some of those who IMed you may have told you that my ebook is worth a look, and since I recently bought the site, and others have recently gave promos for my ebook in some of the other threads they figured someone was going to do it soon.

There are some kick ass members here so I don't want to scare them off by being that-uber-self-promo-guy.

I guess I could have answered your question and listed some other resources. The reality of it is that for many people sometimes it does take doing lots of reading forums, going to conferences, and/or playing with sites and seeing how the engines react.

no offense intended!

Hey afreshup "welcome to threadwatch™".

No offense intended from here... it was just such a nice setup to poke at Aaron, who has done an amazing job of continuing TW without making it a doorway to the SEO manual. A new member, first post, and such a succint, almost perfect question.

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...if my real career did not earn me the respect and admiration of my colleagues without having to hang around boards and belittle those less experienced than me...

Yeah, me too! I would hate to be one of those guys! Geeesh.

Hey afreshup "welcome to

Hey afreshup "welcome to threadwatch™".

Here is a link to it...I will bump the thread as well.

It turns out the email notification to new members was not changed to the new welcome to TW thread for two main reasons:

  • I am a twit
  • I forgot

having said all that, here is a link to the new welcome thread
http://www.threadwatch.org/node/5046

Me Thinks I may be a bit sensitive

I am good at what I do, commercial banking, but to be able to do what you guys do is amazing. I have always been sales manager and worked closely with marketing buying and selling money. However with my all my experience in buying and selling money I am an infant in this field and it truly challenges me and intimidates me in the same breath. I have so much I have to learn. I will though. Thank you for all of your help and comments; I am on my way, at least 3 or 4 nights a week after 10-hour days.

And on another note...

I have 20 years of mortgage and banking experience, and I am pretty damn good at reading customers and buying trends. If anyone here is currently marketing in this field; I would gladly trade what I know for what they know in SEO to help each other do better.

counting down...

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I have 20 years of mortgage and banking experience, and I am pretty damn good at reading customers and buying trends. If anyone here is currently marketing in this field; I would gladly trade what I know for what they know in SEO to help each other do better.

and the newbie's private mailbox is full in 5....4.....3......2......1......

Touche'

Ok John, teach the newbie something, I will put up all the money on one of my domains and do all the work and give you the profits through your own affiliates for some help. I am ADD to the tenth power, I can read book after book, but until I do it I will not get it...

Afreshup - I have dabbled in

Afreshup -

I have dabbled in the national debt services and regional mortgage markets for clients and in-house affiliate campaigns. If the site in your user profile is the one you're trying to compete with in natural search, I would recommend PPC. I'm not saying that to be mean. I'm not saying that to discourage you. I'm trying to save you some heartache and gray hair. THAT site won't hack it in this vertical. Ever.

Thanks for the honesty

In this vertical...market?

Me Thinks I may be a bit sensitive......YUP!

Afreshup, you just got to get used to these guys. They insult each other, swear a lot and take the piss out of one another without mercy but mostly they're good friends. (well maybe)

Afreshup - Gimme a bell (Not

Afreshup - Gimme a bell (Not PM).

Some have said I do "OK" in that vertical. One question though. What geogrpahic area are you looking to monetise from ?

insults? swearing? only for effect...

Hey cabbage don't generalize. I am not friends with any of these characters ;-)

afreshup I have to agree in part with scoreboard, although he isn't extending very far IMHO. As far as taking a website to the top of the SERPs, I agree that site is not competitive for most keywords in that niche. However, as is currently debated all over the place, there is not much one can do these days with technical on-page/on-site factors to get into the top SERPs in such a competitive space.

That is not to say there isn't plenty of opportunity. Talk to JasonD. He's suggesting one approach, and hinting at the need to target a specific goal within the niche, using an approach.

My question would be if you have the stomach for what it takes to go after that market... in my experience most clients do not. For clients who are also webmasters and do indeed want to go there, I recommend a course in competitive webmastering (one of which is taught by me).

Thanks John

I started with that web site a year ago, it is a subject I know well. I basically learned from building it and some where around a couple hundred man hours came to the same realization you guys have. I believe I will turn i into an e-book "how to sae $1000 on your next mortgage"
At least I know I was thinking in the right direction. I have read many peoples online books, the problem is 2/3's of the book is repetition. About a third of each book / coarse teaches me something new. So I am dropping $50 - $75 bucks a pop. Also I am ADD to the tenth power, Ilearn by doing (screwing up) better than reading....

Affiliate Links - Template Site - Dupe Content

John's correct. On-page means relatively little...most of the time. My point is that the site has lots of affiliate links out of it (in the nav, even) which probably won't pass a thin-affiliate handcheck by the Google Evals if ever does start ranking in queries sent their way. While a bit different than when I looked at it a few days ago (in an admittedly cranky state), the site still had templated content. Unless you are one of the national providers, it is very unlikely that you will get a templated site with thin affiliate links and duplicate content to rank for something in the realm of mortgages.

Having said that, you seem to be gaining an idea...the right idea, btw...of what it's going to take in the way of marketable content generation. If I didn't want to commit paid search resources to that site, I'd start over, with a fresh design, and THEN begin instituting your message.

edit: Oh, and then liiiiiiiiiiinks!

YMMV.

Great Advice

I own .org and .net as well, each are as pitiful as the .com. I was offered $9000 from American General for the trio and 12k from Home Capital inc. This my be my best way to turn a profit from these web sites...huh

12K can do a good

12K can do a good bit...especially if it is spent toward buying an older more established site with good naturalish link popularity. you have to do a bit of hunting to find webmasters that do not know what their sites are worth though...and sometimes thinking laterally may help you get a site with a great authority score and little to nothing in the lines of a business model

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