Google BigDaddy = SEO Honeypot?

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Google's "BigDaddy" datacenter could be the greatest honeypot scam every -- a trap laid to isolate seo-motivated queries on a separate search cluster, where Google can analyze them.

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Chicken Little

Google and anyone with any experience already knows what terms are being targeted by SEOs. I'll give you a hint pills, poker and casinos are three of them. There are also many ways that Google could already find this information without creating a new datacenter. Do you think Google has never looked at link: queries? Or started a blog just to see what keywords are being spammed for? Or checked out Jay Allen's blacklist?

Nah

I think this is one conspiracy theory that doesn't make any sense. There are much cheaper ways of determining SEO techniques, strategies, etc. that they don't need to create a full data center which they are going to use for main search results. "No digg". :)

maybe

Maybe he's right but somehow it seems a little bit paranoid to me.

However, having said that I still feel that there was a hell of a lot of truth in something the Web Professor said the other day.

Just because a search engineer is nice, smart, witty and reasonably honest doesn’t mean he isn’t your adversary

Good thinking - I'm guessing

Good thinking - I'm guessing you're right on.

Just because you're paranoid

Doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you.

Interesting read

Interesting read. I wouldn't doubt it for a second.

This paragraph caught my attention as well.

Please, everyone in the world only link when it will improve the quality of Google’s results, not if you’re paid for linking. If you’re paid please tag your paid link so we can take that into account. If you don’t we’ll find a way to punish you.

So true!

Smells like link bait to me

Smells like link bait to me - blog with 1 post (not particularly ground breaking either IMO), added to TW by anon user...sure, happens all the time.

IMO just someone either wanting to make a jibe at Dave's tour of the plex or wanting latch onto a semi hot topic to build some link interest.

funny

I had that thought as soon as I read Matt's blog, because I often wear the tin foil hat. However, I also routinely use my competitor's sites (not my own) anytime I evaluate a third-party SEO tool. I am not alone in that... it was something discussed at a get together once where there were a good number of revelations about how SEOs use the data typed into "free" SEO tools.

I agree it is not likely, but it is data nonetheless, that lasts forever.

Now if we could all just get on the bandwagon and stop interfering with Google, we wouldn't have to worry about this stuff. Tick tock... I think DaveN said end of 06, right?

BigDaddy Feedback: Search Relevancy / Search Quality

Good morning Folks

What surprised me most is that Matt hadn't asked for feedback regarding search quality / search relevancy on BigDaddy DCs!!

I mean whats more important for Joe public searcher than search relevancy where he expect to find relevant sites at top 10, top 20 or top 30 of the serps?

search quality / search relevancy

Reseller,

I see you have nailed your colours to the mast with your post at WMW thread:-

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Its sad to see hundreds of unanswered comments on Matt's blog. Waste of time and efforts on webmasters side, unfortunately.
But that also reflect the decline of Google's communications with webmasters which I mentioned in a previous post.

Considering how much SEO's

Considering how much SEO's use manual and API querying of Google, IMO they already have a good data set to use regardless, should they ever determine that any SEO motive must needs punishing.

Personally, I think Google are smart enough not to get distracted into such a witch hunt.

Sad though - webmasters demand more communication from Google - then draw away in suspicion when dialogue is opened. Not constructive.

IMO MarketingGuy is right - link bait, little else.

Communications With Google Or Just Smoke and Mirrors

Brian

Sad though - webmasters demand more communication from Google - then draw away in suspicion when dialogue is opened. Not constructive.

Do you call, for example, whats going on on Matt's blog dialogue??

A dialogue is communications between two parties, best done on equal basis. Here at threadwatch.org and on WMW we have dialogues. Because we talk and listen to each other. Two-way communications.

On Matt's blog, Matt talk and the rest of us listen. Things are done on Matt's and Google's own conditions. Not your and mine conditions. Only theirs. Would you call that a dialogue?

I was very optimistic when Matt started his blog. I thought.. WOW at last Google wish to talk with us.
But look at what Matt's blog ended with. Nothing but a Webmasters Comments Deserted Farm.

And even the quality of Matt's very few replies to the hundreds of webmasters comments on his blog, have dropped in both value and quality. You really don't get much out of Matt's replies when he started using terms as "In time" and "Down the road" as time factors! Elastic empty poor terms which has no value for the webmasters who are taking the time to visit Matt's blog and post comments.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that Matt hasn't wrote posts with valuable info. But even that has been done as extention of Google's own Webmaster Guidlines.

If Google is really interested in decent, honest and quality communications with the webmasters communities, they should come and talk to us on our forums, like threadwatch.org and WMW for examples.

heh

Why would they want Dialogue? They only want to know how to eliminate you. There's enough public info these days for them to do that.

I'm not a Matt fanboy

But jeez man its his blog. Why are you entitled to individual replies ?
How could he possibally reply to even 10% of them in a meaningful way ?

I think gigging him on not replying is a bit over the top. Its nice that you can send them messages and they do seem to listen.

Thats said.. "them" listening is a double edged sword IMO.

I'm a Matt Fanboy...But!

webprofessor

Why are you entitled to individual replies ?
How could he possibally reply to even 10% of them in a meaningful way?

Maybe its the inherited weakness of blogs that comments are there not to be answered, and webmasters should accept the fact that posting comments on Matt's blog is a waste of time.

However, Matt's blog is a "half" official Google communication channel aimed at webmasters. Though Matt wrote that its his own blog and it doesn't represent Google, he is asking for feedback for Google test-DC, BigDaddy. He is also asking at present for other 2006 feedbacks for Google.

I’m going to start a few threads where people can leave their suggestions. Basically, I want to know what you think Google should be doing or working on in the next six months to a year. I’ll start posts in different areas where people can add their suggestions.

As such we might as well judge Matt's blog as part of Google's communications arsenal.

Maybe it hasn't been Matt's intention that his blog end as Webmasters Comments Graveyard

However, Matt has several choices to deal with the problem of the hundreds of unanswered comments. For example:

- switch the comments option off.

- ask members of Google Search Quality Team to assist in answering webmasters comments as part of their job. As I mentioned, we are talking about "half" official Google blog after all.

Are you smoking crack?

Look at the level of comment quality that Matt is barraged with! My dog would big-time half that noob crap.

What is with the sense of entitlement lately? Look at the hours most of those blog posts are made. Take whatever value you can get from Matt, but asking...and damn near demanding...more strikes me as much more arrogant than y'all perceive Google to be.

If you need Matt to explain everything to you, go back to your day job.

Sorry for the rant but I doubt I'm the only one around here thinking that...

I have intentionally not

I have intentionally not answered comments before and I probably delete far more of them than Matt does.

I don't think the comments need to be off if they can't all be answered. I have had similar questions as some of the stuff listed in Matt's blog and chose not to give in depth replies to all of them...and some of them were even from paying customers, not just people wanting a totally free ride.

If you put the value of your time at $0 an hour that is what people will come to expect. I don't fault Matt for not answering every comment he gets.

Not only one

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Sorry for the rant but I doubt I'm the only one around here thinking that...

Nope, I was thinking the same thing.

It would be crazy to assume he'd be answering the comments. He DOES actually have a job too!

Google's one-way communication with webmasters

seobook

I have intentionally not answered comments before and I probably delete far more of them than Matt does.

Jill

It would be crazy to assume he'd be answering the comments.

So you agree with me that its a waste of time of those hopeful webmasters who are posting comments on Matt's blog and expecting any kind of answers.

As such and accordingly you agree with me that Google and Matt's communication with webmasters is not a dialogue but a one-way communication. Google/Matt talk and webmasters are expected to just listen and shouldn't expect to be answered if they ask questions.

As such there is no value in what Matt wrote recently on his blog:

Google tries pretty hard to communicate with webmasters and site owners.

I wish you all a great day and a successful week.

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well a lot of people feel one way communication is valuable clearly. Plus of course the fact that he doesn't respond doesn't mean he doesn't listen.....

But to be honest many of the comments on Matts blog are, well, um, less informed than Google would probably hope for in people that they invite to give feedback. I somehow guess a five minute phone call with DaveN or someone similar is of much more value to Matt than five hours reading blog comments.

Sorry for the rant but I

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Sorry for the rant but I doubt I'm the only one around here thinking that...

No scoreboard, you're not alone.

But consider the flip side. If all Google says about touchy SEO issues is what's on Matt's blog, then given enough time and attention what's on Matt's blog becomes reality. Think about when/how "search engine spam" and "Black hat SEO" and numerous other characterizing phrases became popular.

I think.. I'm not entirely sure, but I think, it's called SPIN.

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