Doug Heil vs Linkworth: Grab Your Popcorn Spammers!

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Linkworth is apparently threatening legal action against the crew at IHY for calling the company email spammers. The thread in question is here. Linkworth sends the legal threat in the middle of page 2:

Well I appreciate the kind words you guys have for our company. There is one thing called "freedom of speech" and there is another thing called "libel and slander". If you have a problem with our company, either kindly ask us to not email you anymore, or take it up with the proper authorities. Labeling our trademarked name with an improper term like "spammer", can be brought up in the court of law, and we will be more than happy to defend our company and our name.

I will kindly ask that you remove all libel comments regarding our company name and it's representatives. There will be no more requests or comments, only legal action. We have put a lot of money into our company and if you don't like it fine. We do like our company and we will spend whatever money necessary to preserve it's name and reputation.

I will allow you 24 hours to remove our company name and representatives name from your site before moving forward. The current time is 2:45pm CST. I will check back at 3pm CST tomorrow. I hope you believe my threats because I am 100% serious.

Doug closed the thread, saying that it ran its course, but Linkworth blasted Doug on their blog, offering him some choice anchor text and sound bytes:

It seems this guy’s sole purpose in life is to flame other individuals and other companies. “Why?” We have no idea, other than possible jealousy, greed, attention or maybe he really thinks he is an expert. It is obvious, however, he is an expert blackhat seo, an expert spammer and an expert flamer.

So Doug opened the thread back up. On page 7 now. The long and short are technically defining email spam, cross referencing user names and IP addresses, a rant in every post, and a few other goodies if you are looking for a laugh.

The thread has got too long to read easily and is now continued here

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So.....

Doug is the authority on crossing the line and you are the authority on how to get banned and only do right? Ok. Enough said.

I think we should rename ThreadWatch:

The Pageoneresults Show

You are making no sense now

The inventory shows nothing. We don't say a thing about those other guys. We know a couple of them, so quit trying to make things up now. This is getting funny.

Look Edward...if this has become personal to you, then contact me personally. I'm not here to flame you but you obviously have another adgenda. Oh right, you are part of the ihy forums.

Oh stop!

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The inventory shows nothing.

I say we let other TW experts decide that. If I were an advertiser, I sure as hell wouldn't want my name out there in public view like that.

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We don't say a thing about those other guys.

Bullshit! I found that reply from yourself in your forums. You were basically stating that those other businesses were based on selling PageRank and that you were different. Yet in everything I find on that site, a good portion of it centers around PageRank. The reports, the tools, etc.

Why not

The Pageoneresults Show

why not the pageoneresults vs rono show

Quit going over the top

How can anyone be an expert on how our site is developed unless you know whats behind the scenes?

You were BASICALLY stating that those other businesses were based on selling PageRank and that you were different.

So you are saying I didn't actually say it, but I said it? Either I did or I did not. Is that what you are thinking? I respect our competition and they know it. You are barking up the wrong tree my friend.

Ok....I conceed

You win. You know everything and you are perfect...you've got my vote.

Thank you!

And on a parting note, in regards to you not saying what you said you didn't say...

http://www.linkworth.com/talk/showthread.php?t=45

What exactly were you referring to in the above topic on your forums where you posted this reply?

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We are not selling links based on PR. That is the biggest difference. As I said, if you feel the least bit uncomfortable, then simply remove our link.

An example of services this person is referring to is:
www. textlinkbrokers. com
www. textlinkbrokerage. com
www. linkadage. com

Heck, you didn't even give your friends and business partners a link. You actually went out of your way to break the links by inserting spaces.

Yes, I think I've won this one. Not that there was anything to win. But, since you conceded, I can only come to the conclusion that I've won something. Where's my damn prize? Everyone else get's prizes around here, where's mine?

Just so there is no confusion...

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Well something you have to understand is, placing links on other websites, whether it be paid or non paid, is the basic foundation of the internet. It has been around LONG before Google ever existed. Your person called us a "bad neighborhood" because we deal with text link advertising. They need to understand we do not base selling the text links off of PageRank. Sites that sell text links based on PR is what Google is looking for, and that is even a myth. You are welcome to read the Google guidelines:

http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

Nowhere does it say selling text links is breaking their rules. It states:

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Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.

This is not a link scheme. You are selling your website space to advertisers. This is not against the rules. This is obviously someone that is not fully aware of the real story. We do not participate in schemes, spamming, bad neighborhoods or anything else they do not approve.

The best thing for you to do is use your best judgement. If you are uncomfortable having our advertisement on your site, simply remove it. I just wanted to prove a point that this person is purely speculating about our service, our website, and what Google is really doing.

I now want to direct you to a discussions from others concerning this issue, and this way you can get more of an opinion other than your person that is worried and myself.....

http://www.searchguild.com/tpage287-0.html

We are not selling links based on PR. That is the biggest difference. As I said, if you feel the least bit uncomfortable, then simply remove our link.

An example of services this person is referring to is:
www. textlinkbrokers. com
www. textlinkbrokerage. com
www. linkadage. com

Hope this helps
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Have a GREAT DAY!
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Ron W.

I wanted to make sure the entirety of that post was kept intact so you couldn't try to spin this some other way.

Yes, you should have definitely gotten out of this long ago and I would have just went on my merry way and got some work done. But, it's raining here today and I can't go out to the pool so I'm stranded and had some free time. I'll leave now if you stop. I will miss you though. :(

Well I stand corrected...

Yes, that post was made. Not in the light you've made it out to be. At that time those places sold based soley on pr. Am I wrong? Also...I didn't pay attention to the sites....we don't know any of them.

You might as well say you and I are best friends because you spoke to me on those grounds.

You can have mine

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Where's my damn prize? Everyone else get's prizes around here, where's mine?

You want my ugly boxers?

Okay, I give too...

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But at that time, we knew none of them. We still do not know all of them.

I'll let you wiggle out of that one as the topic is from 2004.

Snicker...

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You want my ugly boxers?

Only if they have a ZEBRA print on them. ;)

Wanker?

what do you call a guy with a shovel on his head????

Dug

Something every one except

Something every one except Edward seems to forget is Doug did not start the thread in question. A member at IHY started the thread. If that member had not posted the e-mail in question we probably would not have been aware of the site in question.

I guess the next question is why? Because the member knew the thread would not get deleted or edited would me my guess.

Jill I have to respond to a few of your comments.

It's about time that someone sued, Doug. He's been waiting for it to happen, I'm sure, but it never does. (I'm sure he wants the publicity it would bring.)

If you have so much poison in your system for Doug why don't you sue? I think your husband is an attorney. Why doesn't your husband sue Doug if he needs to be sued?

But in my defense, if you read the old posts there, you'll see that I rarely agreed with him on much.

Again I have to disagree. I have read a lot of the old post including those in Staff and the Place. It seems to me you only started disagreeing shortly before starting your own forum. I don't mean to imply that you never disagreed. I disagree with Doug at times. What I'm referring to is the strong disagreement that caused you to leave and start your own forum.

That's kinda scary. I'm just glad he doesn't live anywhere near me. I wonder if I should notify the authorities or anything? It's pretty obvious the guy's a lunatic, and I've heard that threats like that from crazy people should be taken seriously.

You know Doug is not a lunatic, and you know he is not dangerous. Well he is dangerous to those who want to support Spam. The only reason he is Dangerous to those who support Spam is because he is not afraid to allow the naming of Spammers in his forum. Unlike You.

We can only hope that Linkworth actually follows through with it, even if it does give him publicity. But I doubt they will. It's just too much work these days.

LinkWorth is not going to follow through. They were wrong and they got caught. Now they are looking for sympathy, and apparently getting it at TW.

They threatened me with the same shit on my blog. When they started posting on their blog they only mentioned IHY which pissed me off, since they had threatened to sue me.

The interesting thing is they have changed their original blog post at least 3 times.

If that's what he and his mindless brainwashed followers did, that would be one thing. But if you actually read there, you'd see that a good percentage of the time, that's not what it is. It's just them stirring up trouble trying to bring others to post there so that they can gain some tiny bit of credibility.

I really don't know anyone at IHY that is mindless or brainwashed. I will be the first to admit you have some good Mods in your forum. So does IHY.

Why do you want to discount the inelegance of the Mods at IHY?

For instance, when Doug really gets bored, he posts to one of his I hate Danny Sullivan threads, and then waits for Danny to come defend himself.

I don't think that is true. Danny does not respond to Doug any more and hasn't in a long time.

The last time I remember Danny posting at IHY was when he banned me from SEW. I don't think he had posted there for quite some time before that.

But you'll notice there are no more very smart individuals who hang out there any more. That kinda tells you something, no?

Again you are wrong. I am the only moderator at IHY that fits your description. I have never made any secret that I nothing more than a "Dumb Ol MO Hillbilly". I believe I have stated that at SEW, HR, as well as IHY several times.

I won't pretend to be something that I'm not. On the other hand I think you pretend to be something your not. You pretend to be white hat, but are friends with Blackhats. Then you condemn IHY because of personal differences.

Back on Topic
Edward I commend you for the stand you have taken in spite of the bashing that wen with it.
rono
In looking at your profile you are associated with LinkWorth.

You are trying to defend a position that is indefensible IMHO.

As Edward asked earlier. Are you all defending Spam E-mail, or are you taking this as an opportunity to bash IHY?

I have to ask what is the difference between what gets posted at IHY and this post it TW http://www.threadwatch.org/node/6006
Why is the IHY thread controversial?
2 reason I think. You guys troll IHY looking for something to post about.

The site in question gets caught and rather than admitting they did something wrong try to defend themselves, and turn the attention away from what they did to IHY.

If nobody posted about IHY these controversial post would never be controversial.

My suggestion is if you don't like IHY don't read there. Don't post anything that is said at IHY that you disagree with.

Then there is no controversy that will draw attention to IHY. Pretty simple in my simple mind.

It's threads like this one that put IHY in the lime light. Trust me we don't need it.

Connie ? Dude or Chick???

Is that a dude or a chick or a moderator with a funny hat?

I just spent something like

I just spent something like 2 hours to reply to this thread. When I published it, it just disappeared. Life on the Internet.

I'm not going to try and reproduce the original post. I had quoted Jill a lot. At this time I will summarize.

Jill You don't know what you are talking about. Get the hatred you have for IHY out of your system or have your husband sue IHY. That's my advice.

I'm the only Moderator at IHY that is dumb and stupid. I have never tried to hide that and pretend to be something I'm not. I have been open at SEW, HR, and at IHY that I'm just a "Dumb Ol MO Hillbilly".

Because I'm so dumb does not mean I don't recognize certain things. As far as I'm concerned you are blowing smoke.

Edward is the only one who seems to realize that Doug did not start the thread in question. A member at IHY started the thread.

Rono you seem to be associated with LinkWorth based on your profile.

I understand why you want to turn the discussion away from LinkWorth to a bashing of IHY.

Edward is the only one who has made comments in this thread that were really related to what Aron originally posted IMHO.

Rono get your act cleaned up. Regardless of what was posted at IHY some things will bite you in the ass sometime down the road.

Scroll Up

Your original post is right where you left it.

I guess this is a test post.

I guess this is a test post. I spent the last 2 or 3 hours trying to post a reply to this thread. 2 different post. I previewed both of them but they disappeared when they were submitted.

I'll try again without any formating.

Edward is the only one who sees the issue. If anyone reads the original post Doug did not start the thread. A member of IHY did.

Jill as always you are full of shit which you are famous for.

Rono it seems from your profile that you are or work for LinkWorth. I wonder which of the 3 or 4 names I have which are associated with LinkWorth are yours?

Spam is Spam. It is threads like this one that turns a thread at IHY into a controversial subject.

If you guys would ignore IHY there would be no controversy when we out a Spammer. What you do is give the thread more recognition.

Who is using controversy to promote what? We don't at IHY. we are simply posting warnings.

It is the forums, or blogs like TW that promote the controversy IMHO.

Just stay away from IHY and there won't be any controversy.

Connie...

This is not a test post. All of your posts are here. You just need to scroll up. The problem is that the software this forum uses has trouble handling threads that go beyond the first page. You click the link to the latest post and you're brought to the top of the first page.

interesting

as Connie gets increasingly frustrated, each post gets a bit meaner.

I will be the first to admit you have some good Mods in your forum.

vs.

Jill as always you are full of shit which you are famous for.

Connie ? Dude or Chick???

Connie ? Dude or Chick???
Is that a dude or a chick or a moderator with a funny hat?

Back Again

This is not a test post. All of your posts are here. You just need to scroll up. The problem is that the software this forum uses has trouble handling threads that go beyond the first page

Thanks Bob I just discovered that and will try to keep it in mind if I ever post here again. I think this is the second or possibly the third time I have posted at TW.

Is that a dude or a chick or a moderator with a funny hat?

I'm a dude, a moderator, and I wear a funny hat.

Again back to one of my points. If you don't want to recognize IHY then don't post about IHY threads. Let them die. There will be no controversy and the thread in question will not generate "link bait".

Threads like this one only promotes IHY. If you don't like us don't talk about us. We do not need the exposure. IHY will survive regardless of what you Spammers think.

Pretty simple in my mind. Really we don't need your promotion.

Most people will either love or hate IHY. If you hate us don't post about us.

If you post about us then you are the ones guilty of promoting IHY and starting controversy.

When we out a Spammer at IHY it is to warn people. I do the same thing on my blog.

Bob I disagree that this can always be done with general descriptions. I think it is more beneficial to name the offender. So that is something I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on.

For some strange reason I think If Jill changed her position you would too. Unlike Jill I am not afraid of a lawsuit when I have posted the truth.

I don't have to and will not allow hundreds of sites to be harmed from sources like "Traffic Power" before I say something.

I know in my early days in trying to sort out some things in regard to SEO it would have been helpful to have Companies named rather than some vague principles.

Believe it or not I hate controversy. There are some things that I believe in that will cause me to get involved, based on my own experiences when I first started looking for information on SEO.

Rono I think the best thing you can do is let this thread die a natural death. If you keep trying to defend your Spam you are only going to keep drawing attention to your site.

Then maybe that is what you want to do.

I wouldn't but different stokes for different folks.

I said I was not going to

I said I was not going to post about SEO anymore, but this is not about SEO.

All the following quotes are taken from connies posts in this thread.

connie wrote:
I am the only moderator at IHY that fits your description.

Not hardly...

connie wrote:
Pretty simple in my mind. Really we don't need your promotion.

If you think what is going on here is promotion for Imahelpless, then you are simple minded.

connie wrote:
If you hate us don't post about us.

It would be nice to be able to ignore mindless attacks and stupidity on such a grand scale as Iamhelpless but lets get real, no person with a working brain can ignore such a show of human stupidity. The humor that is unintentionally produced in Iamhelpless by the mods and the owner of that forum is well worth a read, even if your not in the internet business. I know that my clients and friends have just about died laughing after reading some of the stuff you guys write at iamhelpless.

connie wrote:
When we out a Spammer at IHY it is to warn people.

REALLY... So you and the Iamhelpless crew have appointed yourselves judge and jury. If you ever studied history you will note that ALL self appointed judges and juries were all about self advancement and promotion of a very specific set of ideas that would benefit themselves... Self appointed judges and juries only work to benefit themselves, not for the public. So this idea of ‘helping’ people is kinda true, you are helping yourselves...

Just why is it that you think people are so stupid and helpless that they ‘need’ you to warn and protect them? I wonder how people protected themselves on the internet before you and Iamhelpless came into the picture. And the bigger question is how a bunch of technical incompetents could protect anyone when they don’t understand how it is done in the first place.

connie wrote:
I think it is more beneficial to name the offender.

Do you now? You don’t even understand most of the issues, yet you are more than willing to name names...

The word “Dumbass’ keeps popping in my mind like a flashing neon light...

connie wrote:
Believe it or not I hate controversy.

I don’t believe it. For someone that ‘hates’ controversy you sure seem to get yourself involved in controversy a great deal. Like my Native American friends like to say, “Pale face speaks with forked tongue.”

Connie, I have a question for you, why come and post here at TW about this subject? You know what kind of reception your going to receive, you know that no one here believes as you do, you know that most everyone here thinks Dougie, you and the rest of the Iamhelpless mods are a bunch of dim-witted wackos, so why post here? Do you think your going to save some of our souls from spammer hell.... Or are you just trying to promote yourself and Iamhelpless?
I vote for the latter.

Don't know if it true

or not.

But someone just told me that Dougies middle name is Connie...

How wierd is that...

Wierd?

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How wierd is that...

Probably about as wierd as you finding your way into this topic. ;)

lots0, don't you and Doug have an affinity for one another? I see that you have about 75 posts to your name over at IHY and most are pretty hilarious. You were definitely on a roll. :)

Oh Connie, Connie, Connie

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Bob I disagree that this can always be done with general descriptions. I think it is more beneficial to name the offender. So that is something I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on.

For some strange reason I think If Jill changed her position you would too. Unlike Jill I am not afraid of a lawsuit when I have posted the truth.

This is one of those boxing tricks, right? You shake my hand and then punch me in the face.

I'd be happy to agree to disagree, although I did not say "general' descriptions. I can describe a practice and show you code without telling you where I found it. And then, when you find it again, it won't matter what site it's on. But again, if you want to name names and I want to describe and give examples of practices, and we agree to disagree, I'm fine with that.

But then you have to throw in that crap insult saying that I'm going to change my mind if Jill changes hers. That's just childish, it has no basis in fact, and it's the reason I stay away from IHY. Why not just agree to disagree without attacking me right afterward? You should be ashamed, and I am done here.

...

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lots0, don't you and Doug have an affinity for one another?

I don’t think I would use the word ‘affinity’, I think I would use the word ‘anathematize’ to describe how I feel about Dougie. And yes, I have felt that way about him for several years... ;-)

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