Digg, Delicious (etc) Links Now A Crap Idea?

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Having social bookmarking links at the bottom of posts and articles was pretty cool for a while, but is catering for everyone now a futile battle?

I've tried to keep on top of the tagging world as much as anyone, but still I'm surprised by the amount of different services there are out there (as highlighted by the SEOmoz web 2.0 awards). It's pretty clear that having all these links on our sites is going to cause our pages to look something akin to the million dollar homepage.

Yet, by having an incomplete set of links at the bottom of your posts, don't you just make yourself look... well a bit pants, and behind the times?

Maybe it's best to abandon the whole idea altogether?

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Socializer is cleaning up the problem a bit

MT recently shared a plugin for Socializer (http://ekstreme.com/socializer/) for the automatic submission to dozens of social bookmark sites.

I replaced my Digg, Delicious, etc links for now - one link and nothing to maintain. But is it effective? I don't know.

Socializer sounds like a

Socializer sounds like a good idea. I'm wary of free scripts/services. Sometimes they do something sneaky, like redirect visitors to an advertising page or such. And not everytime but after some random number of views, so you often don't know that your visitors are being screwed with because it never happens when you check for yourself. Does socializer do anything like this?

Not aware of anything shady (yet!)

I haven't witnesses or heard anything negative so far about Socializer. But I'll be keeping my eyes on them. I'd rather spend a little money and have T&Cs that have to worry about issues like that.

A few thoughts

A few thoughts

Incomplete? Well, that's easily solved.

Feel free to use my social bookmark thingie [link] for 30-something services. It's a little javascript so you don't pass on too much link-love, it's text links so they will look like you want them to, and it's plug-and-play.

Toprank has got a similar tool [link] which is PHP and you configure it on the toprank site, so it's different, but it's the same basic idea.

How many?

However, there's another factor, which is - how many of them do you want to display, and which ones? If you just plug in my script on you pages without commenting some of them out your posts might seem impressive to a "social bookmark insider" but to people that are not familiar with those services it might as well become confusing with all those links, especially on very short posts.

So, you should not link to all of them unless your audience is well-informed on socal bookmarking. And if your audience is not well informed you may also what to add a "what's this" link to explain what those links are for and what they do.

Socializer:

That's a great idea too, but it is not a perfect solution. Of course, on your page you will only need one link (to the socializer service). But then, when people click that link they will see a page like this - before they arrive at their social bookmarking service of choice.

See? It does something for your vanity but it does not make things easier for the user.

Confusing isn't it? Not only does this page show the same soup of cryptic names, you are also removed from the page you were on, so you lose context and get one extra pageview before you have bookmarked the page you wanted to bookmark.

Sneaky

As for sneaky they get pageviews, plus incoming links if you use the PHP version, and they can show all kinds of ads on the intermediary page. Or, if they turn corrupt, interstitials, or redirect it to something...

So, it looks like the traditional ad-financed deal. You get something for free, they get to show ads. Nothing shady as such about that.

I agree

I predicted this months ago, that there are so many services, if you link to every one of them, it will look like shit eventually. Just about everybody shot me down then.

The only one I offer on my site is delicious. I haven't tried any of these other options but they sound useful.

Tip

Nothing wrong with being slightly anti-social in your socializing.

Back your favorite service(s) and the heck with the rest.

I do neither as all the clutter looks like crap.

Stats?

Claus, do you have any way to know if anyone uses the script, once it's installed? Are people taggin sites?
Is anyone here using social tags?

EVO

Socializer

Hi

I'm the author of the Socializer. Let me kick off by saying that the Socializer does nothing sneaky. I have built a good reputation (see the Cre8asiteforums if you don't believe me) and I will do nothing to harm that.

I wrote the Socializer because I faced the same problem as everyone else: too many links taking up too much space. I use it on my website and is part of the new designs of my other websites. As a webmaster, I don't have to link to every page, but let the user choose their favorite. It's not confusing nor "it does not make things easier for the user" (Claus above): it's "bad" for you as a webmaster if you don't provide a link to your surfer's service of choice. The Socializer allows you to do just that: I keep adding services as I find them, and you get the benefit too!

The Socializer will always be free. It's not meant to be a money maker and won't ever be - at the end of the day, it's part of my site for my visitors to use, and I won't annoy my visitors.

As for it being effective: Yes it is, judging by the number of it hits it's receiving. People actually do use it. The websites that are using the JS or MT plugin are actually getting bookmarked!

If you want terms and conditions, I would be happy to write some and post them on the site.

I hope this eases some of your concerns. My point is simple: it's an honest service and gets the job done. No more, no less!

Pierre

fuck a duck : Shawn Collins

How could I dare use a plugin when there are these link on that page ... lol

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Can't you read Dave Let me

Can't you read Dave

Let me kick off by saying that the Socializer does nothing sneaky. I have built a good reputation (see the Cre8asiteforums if you don't believe me) and I will do nothing to harm that.

hehehe

What the duck?

I checked out the ads running at the bottom, but they've always been rather innocuous when I've had a look. For instance, I'm currently seeing:

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the point is that it trades

the point is that it trades links through a randomly rotating network. why link sitewide to something that does that?

What would be really useful...

"why link sitewide to something that does that"

Of course, there is always applying no follow to your links to socializer, or using the javascript version of his code if you're that way inclined.

Part of me still wants to just leave it up to the user, but I think I will also build my own in-site version of socializer and see how that works.

What would be *really* useful is some kind of statistics on which tagging/bookmarking services actually get used and which just sort of hang around going "pick me! pick me!"

the point is that it trades

the point is that it trades links through a randomly rotating network. why link sitewide to something that does that?

That's the Digital Point coop network, which is doing good things to the site. The ads are at the very bottom and harmless to the functioning of the Socializer.

I would like to hear why you think they are bad though. Seriously!

What would be *really*

What would be *really* useful is some kind of statistics on which tagging/bookmarking services actually get used and which just sort of hang around going "pick me! pick me!"

Stats are coming! They just take a few days to accumulate into useful data.

no phone home

Claus, do you have any way to know if anyone uses the script, once it's installed? Are people taggin sites?

Oh well, I made sure from the start that I would never know.

My social bookmarks script is 100% anonymous in every respect. It does not phone home. I have no way of knowing who uses it or for what, and I don't even know who has downloaded it. It's just a plain old-fashioned freebie no strings attached.

I assume that it's in use, as the page has been viewed more than a few times. That could also mean that people were just interested in seeing how it was done, or that they viewed the page and then thought that this was not for them.

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