British Hacker Faces Extradition

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Gary McKinnon, 40, of Wood Green, north London, is alleged to have caused 700,000 dollars (£370,000) worth of damage hacking into US defence computer systems over the course of a year.

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Strange Picture

The picture in the Yahoo story is not Gary McKinnon - it looks like the recently appointed Home Secretary John Reid (who is not mentioned in the story). I hope the authorities make the same mistake when extraditing.

There's another version of the story with a picture of the hacker on http://uk.news.yahoo.com/10052006/80-91/computer-hacker-set-u-s-extradition.html

Phfffff!

>> He was alleged to have deleted system files and logs from computers at US naval weapon station Earle at a critical time following the September 11 attacks, rendering the base's entire network of more than 300 computers inoperable.

In other words "we were a bit rubbish but we have a scapegoat" perhaps?

Yup, who shall defend the defence systems?

>> I hope the authorities make the same mistake when extraditing.

LOL. I wouldn't like a hacker to change flakjackets to flapjacks on requisitions forms the troops in Iraq send home ... but, like you, I'd rather see Reid extradited. That's a most delightful thought. :)

From Iguana's link: "My

From Iguana's link:

"My intention was never to disrupt security," McKinnon told reporters outside Bow Street magistrates court in London on Wednesday. "The fact that I logged on with no password meant ther was no security to begin with."

wow.. I work for the government and have seen the ineptitude first hand and I am still stupified by that comment.

Screw him

I don't give a rats ass if there was no password protection. The fact is he attempted to hack into someone else's system and that's criminal. There's no justification for even attempting the hack. Send him to federal-pound-me-in-the-ass prison for a couple of years, looks good on him.

Don't want to go to jail? Stay the f*** out of other peoples' systems.

From unverified sources

US gov promised not to do him for 'terrorism to the state' laws so he'll only be prosecuted for gaining unauthorised access to systems. 5 year sentence.

reasonable precautions

Come on Glenn, that is a ridiculous statement. If the military cannot put elementary protection in place for their websites and databases, they have no business connecting their computers to the internet.

Giving Gary McKinnon up to the Americans who have one of the worst prison systems in the developed world is scapegoating of the worst order.

Anything that is on the internet is not safe. Or requires extremely good security people on constant alert. When will people learn.

Its silly to assert that

Its silly to assert that because I leave my door unlocked on my house you can come in and break my things. The guy should go to prison.

Ridiculous?

What's ridiculous is the assumption that criminals shouldn't be brought to justice for their crimes. Or that a slip up in security is justification for screwing the military. Yeah, that's it. Someone screwed up on security so it's OK that you raped their systems. That's rich.

Not being accountable for one's actions due to a variety of excuses is not the way I want the world to run.

Not being accountable for

Not being accountable for one's actions due to a variety of excuses is not the way I want the world to run.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Politics/documents/2002/09/24/dossier.pdf
http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/

goose gander etc

That's even better

More excuses for criminals not to be punished? There's a lot more of them. How about 'prison might hurt his feelings'?

You're responsible for your own actions. This hacker is responsible for his actions. He certainly knew that what he was doing was wrong and illegal. Yet he did it anyway. Do something illegal, go to jail; it's a pretty straight line. I can draw diagrams if anyone's not keeping up with me on this.

He needs to go to jail for breaking the law. The reason I added in a 'f**cker' is because people like this guy are the type of folks who think it's fun and OK to also tear down my income and directly harm my family. Complete dirtbags.

Best reason yet

Quote:
Come on Glenn, that is a ridiculous statement. If the military cannot put elementary protection in place for their websites and databases, they have no business connecting their computers to the internet.

Absolutely. That's the best reasoning I've heard yet for keeping guns in my house. Call it elementary protection so that when some crook breaks in to my house and targets my family I can blow him away like I'm Clint Eastwood. Stupid people without guns, wallking around with no elementary protection. Robbing negligent people like that? Well, they were just asking for it, no reason to punish people who rob citizens who aren't heavily armed.

Gessh. Enough with the excuses and the 'ridiculous statements'. The guy did the crime, there's no doubt. Arguing that he shouldn't be punished for his own deliberate and malicious acts is what's really the ridiculous statement.

I don't think the prosecution is the point...

>> The guy did the crime, there's no doubt. Arguing that he shouldn't be punished for his own deliberate and malicious acts is what's really the ridiculous statement.

I'm not sure anyone is arguing he shouldn't get prosecuted for what he apparently did - I think the point for us in the U.K. is that we have perfectly good laws to prosecute him under, but our 'ally' is insisting on extraditing him to a country where the justice system includes the death penalty and Guantanamo Bay - which isn't how we do things here

Right on

I agree with currybet. Extradite a criminal to some other country in stead of applying the rules of the country that criminal is subject to? What the f is that about? He may very well be a criminal and if convicted he should serve his time allright, but he still should expect to have rights as a citizen of the country he belongs to, and hence be trialled and serve time in, and according to the laws of, his own country.

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Also, I'm rather worried that nobody seemed to notice the last sentence of that article:

"Military Order Number One" which allows the US president to detain suspects indefinitely.

Nobody found that that sounded odd somehow? Can that really be true? A suspect is per definition not guilty of anything, as he is only a "suspect" because no evidence has been found to acually trial and convict him.

I sincerely do hope the writer of said article has gotten this all wrong. Laws like that are otherwise only used by the likes of Saddam Hussein. That was the exact way he ran his "justice department".

thats old news in the US

thats old news in the US claus which might be why there was no reaction to it.

true as can be...

José Padilla was arrested in Chicago on 8 May 2002 and remains in detention in a military prison. For the first three years of his detention he was held without charge and without access to his lawyer or family.

On June 9, 2002, two days before presiding judge Michael Mukasey was to issue a ruling on the validity of continuing to hold Padilla under the material witness warrant, President Bush issued an order to Secretary Rumsfeld to detain Padilla as an "enemy combatant" and Padilla was transferred to a military brig in South Carolina without any notice to his attorney or family.

okay

>> old news in the US

I'm always a fair bit behind on "current affairs" as I don't watch TV and only read the business press. Still, I get more than a little disturbed every time somebody informs me about the current state of the world.

Sting

Did anyone every consider this is a BS story in the first place?

Not conspiracy minded, but I've watched enough spy flicks...

a) Maybe the military just left the door open to see who could find it

b) The extradition is a farce, just a way of getting him here to work for us

c) The trial will be a farce, to make people think he's sitting in jail while in reality he's sitting in a top secret facility hacking at sites made by terrorists and other governments

Seriously, why put hackers in jail?

Put them on the payroll, use them for what they do best.

I'm available

Heck I hack into a system that doesn't require a password. Can I have the job?

wheel you're after the wrong guys...

Ken Lay is walking around free after nearly bankrupting California by gaming the entire power system of the United States. And stealing tens of billions of dollars. And robbing 20,000 people of their hard-earned pensions. Do you think those doing life for stealing hubcaps in California (three strikes and you are out!) deserve their time?

Some nerdy Brit who wandered around some very badly protected US military sites deserves a Congressional Medal of Honour for waking up the twits who were in charge of securing these networks.

I don't remember the headlines about him flying remote controlled planes into Congress...

More seriously, currybet is perfectly right in suggesting that the British justice system is perfectly capable of trying their own citizen and reaching some kind of reasonable conclusion.

Considering that the US has suspended habeas corpus, I don't see any reason that a constitionally governed civil society should ever give up one of their citizens to a corrupt totalitarian militarist regime.

I would prefer not to have

I would prefer not to have racist language on the site ronsard

Irony....

Aaron,
You need to get a grip on irony. I know its a concept thats not generaly grasped in the US but Ronsard was far from racist in his comment. In fact his comment was exactly the opposite in that he was teasing conservative/redneck/racist/facist etc call it what you will attitudes.
The remaider of his comments about the USA are however open to question.

I know he was being ironic

I know he was being ironic (he even put the word ironic right next to it)...but I have dealt with so many hate over people misunderstanding stuff like that.

>>point for us in the U.K.

U.K. Counterpoint

Seems like some of the 'us' in the UK are okay with extradition. Namely, Judge Evans. Looks like there are appeals on the way. Due process anyone?

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