Government Snoops for More Terrorism & Kiddie Porn


The government is back pounding away at privacy again. The new administration initiative is appropriately named "The No Freedom Left Unscathed Act":

Top law enforcement officials have asked leading Internet companies to keep histories of the activities of Web users for up to two years to assist in criminal investigations of child pornography and terrorism, the Justice Department said Wednesday.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and FBI Director Robert Mueller outlined their request to executives from Google, Microsoft, AOL, Comcast, Verizon and others Friday in a private meeting at the Justice Department.

It wants records such as lists of e-mail traffic and Web searches.

Lee Tien, a lawyer for the privacy advocacy group Electronic Frontier Foundation, said he was concerned.

"I think that the request raises some really, really major privacy problems," he said. The Justice Department is "asking ISPs (Internet service providers) to really become an arm of the government."

In other terrorism related news, the government is conducting massive terrorism and are limiting whistleblower rights. As a concerned citizen I would like to help spread that information about these wreckless terrorists blindly supporting terrorism. I mean, the shit is getting out of hand when they are indicting congressmen and ignore the rights of congressmen, isn't it?

You have to wonder how long the government can propose these ignorant freedom destroying bills before they drive out smart citizens, good corporations, innovation, and investment opportunities. The certainly are pushing the envelope.

What happens when the US is a financially bankrupt 3rd world country with a nearly unlimited supply of nuclear weapons controled by profit driven soulless corporations? Given another decade or two of these slimeballs and that is where we are headed.

It's like The Tragedy of the Commons to a mass scale.

Here is a great 2 minute video well worth a watch.

The question is weather privledged elites should dominate mass communication, and should use this power as they tell us they must. Namely to impose necissary illusions to manipulate and decieve the stupid majority and remove them from the public arena.

The question in brief is weather democracy and freedom are values to be preserved or threats to be avoided. In this possibly terminal phase of human existance democracy and freedom are more than values to be treasured. They may well be essential to survival.


Yep. It's not real wonderful

Yep. It's not real wonderful watching it happen. Nor that anyone who says anything is immediately suspect. Geez. It's so 1960's.

I was going to say that my

I was going to say that my blog-hopping yesterday took me to a site populated by elderly bloggers (elderbloggers, or something like that); ladies, in fact. They had no such back-off on saying what was on their minds, politically or otherwise. And they managed to do it politely, as well. Polite but very direct, and no pulled punches.

They are

You have to wonder how long the government can propose these ignorant freedom destroying bills before they drive out smart citizens, good corporations, innovation, and investment opportunities. The certainly are pushing the envelope.

I don't think it will drive out people or companies despite how ridiculous these privacy violations get. Our government is built around big business and that is primarily who our politicians work for. As the saying goes, the best politicians money can buy. So as long as guys have money, they'll buy congressmen, and they'll prosper under our system. Despite horrible privacy violations to individuals, most big businesses can get by with little regulation and lots of tax breaks. You will find very few countries that treat big business as well as we do, which consequently kicks everyday Americans in the ass. I mean we just gave Exxon billions in tax cuts while they went out and turned the biggest profit out of any company in the history of business. All the while we pay $3.50 a gallon at the station (I'm ranting..).

But I do find all these new bills to fight terrorism funny. They just cut funding to our biggest cities and prolific targets by 40%, yet need all these records. Just like fighting child predators with these records yet they can't find the time to pass Jessica's Law which gives stricter sentencing to child predators.

Sounding better all the time

controled by profit driven soulless corporations?

You're saying that like it's a bad thing.


You're saying that like it's a bad thing.

profit driven corporations have no moral values.

some of them do some pretty shitty stuff. as a for instance:

In early April the often-forgot country of Bolivia, tucked away in he Andes, grabbed the world's attention when the city of Cochabamba erupted in a public uprising over water prices. In 1999, following World Bank advice, Bolivia granted a 40 year privatization lease to a subsidiary of the Bechtel Corporation, giving it control over the water on which more than half a million people survive. Immediately the company doubled and tripled water rates for some of South America's poorest families.

it became an illegal crime to gather rain water. people were getting evicted and losing their homes and the police even killed some people over it.

well worth a watch

it's the american people

it's the american people that dont vote and when they do, they put these kinds of people in office and happily go about participating in a culture that prefers not to talk or really get involved with government. what you reap is what you sow.

You have to wonder how long the government can propose these ignorant freedom destroying bills before they drive out smart citizens, good corporations, innovation, and investment opportunities. The certainly are pushing the envelope.

this is what i dont get about these types of policies. it is only getting easier and more lucrative to jump over to a new government. governments should be in a mindset of competing for the right to tax businesses, not giving them incentives to incorporate within the jurisdiction of another government.

what i'm curious to see is what the conclusion to all this will be. i dont think it is going to be very pretty.

Just for the record...

Politicians have been introducing "ignorant" bills since the beginning of our democracy. This isn't something new. And yet we seem to have survived fairly well to date. That said, I agree 100% with the idea that we need to be electing smarter people to serve. Problem is, with the way the vetting process works these days, the smart people want nothing to do with politics....

Companies do have morals

profit driven corporations have no moral values.

I'd like to think my corp. is profit driven. It also has morals. And if you incorporated threadwatch, well, I'm pretty sure it'd have morals too.

Your example of South America is a good example. It wasn't 'big evil' company. It was some jerkoff at the top of the company, or many of them, that allowed this to happen. Somebody made it illegal to gather rainwater. Somebody passed the legislation. Somebody thought it was acceptable.

Corporations are only as evil as the people running them allow them to be. Of course, the realization that many people floating at the top of corporations big and small are inherently evil even if only through laziness, well that's not likely a surprise to anyone here.

not isolated, my friend

that jerk off company that screwed over Bolivia was an American company. and it was just a small part of a big evil system, and that sort of activity is not at all isolated

"The book was to be dedicated to the presidents of two countries, men who had been his clients whom I respected and thought of as kindred spirits - Jaime Roldós, president of Ecuador, and Omar Torrijos, president of Panama. Both had just died in fiery crashes. Their deaths were not accidental. They were assassinated because they opposed that fraternity of corporate, government, and banking heads whose goal is global empire. We Economic Hit Men failed to bring Roldós and Torrijos around, and the other type of hit men, the CIA-sanctioned jackals who were always right behind us, stepped in.

Basically what we were trained to do and what our job is to do is to build up the American empire. To bring -- to create situations where as many resources as possible flow into this country, to our corporations, and our government, and in fact we’ve been very successful. We’ve built the largest empire in the history of the world. It's been done over the last 50 years since World War II with very little military might, actually. It's only in rare instances like Iraq where the military comes in as a last resort. This empire, unlike any other in the history of the world, has been built primarily through economic manipulation, through cheating, through fraud, through seducing people into our way of life, through the economic hit men. I was very much a part of that.

it's the american people

it's the american people that dont vote and when they do, they put these kinds of people in office

sometimes. but then other times people do election fraud.

The reports were especially disturbing in Ohio, the critical battleground state that clinched Bush's victory in the electoral college. Officials there purged tens of thousands of eligible voters from the rolls, neglected to process registration cards generated by Democratic voter drives, shortchanged Democratic precincts when they allocated voting machines and illegally derailed a recount that could have given Kerry the presidency. A precinct in an evangelical church in Miami County recorded an impossibly high turnout of ninety-eight percent, while a polling place in inner-city Cleveland recorded an equally impossible turnout of only seven percent. In Warren County, GOP election officials even invented a nonexistent terrorist threat to bar the media from monitoring the official vote count.

One in every four Ohio citizens who registered to vote in 2004 showed up at the polls only to discover that they were not listed on the rolls, thanks to GOP efforts to stem the unprecedented flood of Democrats eager to cast ballots. And that doesn't even take into account the troubling evidence of outright fraud, which indicates that upwards of 80,000 votes for Kerry were counted instead for Bush. That alone is a swing of more than 160,000 votes -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House.

Where's the outcry?

that jerk off company that screwed over Bolivia was an American company. and it was just a small part of a big evil system, and that sort of activity is not at all isolated

If that was in fact an american company doing those sorts of things, where's the public outcry? the press? the congress holding an session on basic human rights violations? the protests outside their offices to get public awareness?

We hear more outrage over sweat shops than someone being evicted over a rain barrel.

BTW, back to the topic, the next step will be removing the word "kiddie" and it will be all porn under attack, just wait and see.

Rolling Stone?

This is why I don't get into politics online. For every story...

this is why I don't get into politics online

...just wait and see.

Truer words were never spoken.

did you expect it on Fox News DG?

If you read that article it has quotes from Zogby in it. Pretty credible read, IMHO.

When the mainstream press chooses to blackball a story you have to publish it where you can.


I should have said, 'Rolling Stone? This is one of the reasons I don't like to get into politics online. For every story...'

For whatever else Rolling

For whatever else Rolling Stone may do, they've been known for intense investigation and analysis, such that one read about the Karen Silkwood affair years (as I recall, eight years) before it came out in the mainstream press. Yep, published in Rolling Stone, no doubt right next to the Led Zeppelin article, or whoever was happening at that time. That's Rolling Stone.

I think I'll go out and buy a Dixie Chicks CD. They spoke up and got slammed.


Rolling Stone kicks ass: No Complaints

Okay. I could be wrong. The

Okay. I could be wrong. The Silkwood article was back in the '80s.

You're Not Wrong

Fact is, facts are missing all over the place. Journalism is now sensationalism. There are no Murrows left. Op/Ed is now 'news'. Anchors 'opine'. Commentary is substituted for news.

Reporting is grunt work. 'Star' reporters get away with fabrication for months, sometimes years. They often 'make' the story rather than report it. Where is Walter Cronkite?

Yes. News has been

Yes. News has been subverted. I wonder how it feels to be a sellout?

I think that is just the way

I think that is just the way things are swaying...advertising is based on distribution, and sometimes we chose to tune in to the bias that most represents our worldviews. I think that is only going to head more and more in that direction, especially as ads are integrated into video games and really every piece of life.

Information is becoming more about being an advertisement for itself to gain further distribution than it is about informing. If the people at the top are heading that route and leveraging mass networks to spread bogus messages what is the easiest way to knock them down? Do the same thing back? Most people seem to desire bias more than quality / fair / comprehensive.

>>Most people

Aspire to mediocrity?

That's right. Quality

That's right. Quality requires work. And intention.

I am not certain that I can

I am not certain that I can entirely isolite it, but from personal experience I think I have had more success from my thin biased stuff than from when I have tried extra hard to be in depth and fair.

Twisted Press and Bias

I've only talked to the so-called real press one time and experienced their bias first hand and that'll never happen again.

One of my neighbors was having a bad day one fine Sunday morning and decided to drive his entire family off a cliff on CA #1 in their brand new SUV. It wasn't a spot where you could do so easily either, where the road on CA #1 is on the edge of the cliff like Devil's slide or something. They took quite a bit of an offroad drive in this location and there were no skid marks or any sign of breaking and "WHEEEE!" it was about 100 ft. down into the tide. Based on the trajectory and distance from the cliff when they landed the cops actually speculated acceleration. Of course the driver survived but the pregnant wife and little daughter didn't.

Anyway, the reporter comes buzzing my door and I answered a couple of questions honestly, no embellishment, not trying to put any implications on what happened one way or the other. Then the article comes out and what I said was spliced up to the point it changed the meaning to match their slant on the incident.

Few days later the same reporter buzzed my door wanted to ask a few follow up questions and I ripped him a new ass. Then told him he was on private property and if they showed up again I'd excersize some vague law about tresspassing.

Never talk to reporters, not worth the risk.

Mark Cuban recently had a

Mark Cuban recently had a post on why journalism is largely dying.
to sum it up, lack of opinion / angle / payoff.

Can I say "shut up"?

Journalism is now sensationalism. . Op/Ed is now 'news'

That's so true.

If you actively watch for this crap on TV and your local newspaper you'll see it EVERYWHERE - and I'm no conspiracy theorist. Yet if you yell "shut up!" at the morning newspaper to make them stop pushing opinions as facts, that all of a sudden makes you the whack job instead of the reporter. jus' saying :).

I am SO tempted to start a blog that exposes examples of 'opinion as fact' in the mainstream media.

If you think you can handle

If you think you can handle concentrated media bias check out

Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

While I expect other politically flavoured media behave in a similar fashion this accumulation of realtime news revisionism includes all of MSM.

Sad state of affairs.

In the interest of unbiased posting...

... we should mention the other side of the Media Matters coin, which is the Media Research Center.

The mission of the Media Research Center is to bring balance to the news media. Leaders of America's conservative movement have long believed that within the national news media a strident liberal bias existed that influenced the public's understanding of critical issues.

So, it does go both ways. And yes, sad state of affairs that we even need such organizations as Media Matters and Media Research Center.

it's even sadder

It's even sadder that whenever a site that does a good job of sticking to the facts is mentioned, someone else has to mention a sister site that presents it's own skewed perspective as "fair and balanced" in response. Thank you, pleeker, for establishing the MRC as equally credible to Media Matters. Had you not done that, no one may ever have done it.

There is no sure thing but death and taxes and propaganda.

John, I'm not commenting on

John, I'm not commenting on the credibility of either one, since today is the first day I've ever looked at them. If Media Matters does a good job of "sticking to the facts," that's great. But they admit that they're only attacking the problem from their side of the aisle ... "correcting conservative misinformation", as they say. So that's half the facts, half the story. MRC seems to be going at it from their side of the aisle, too -- again, half the facts, half the story.

I spent 7 years working in professional media and 4 years before that getting a journalism education. I dislike Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore equally, because they distort reality to suit their own needs and political stance, and they diminish the level of discussion. So, as I said above, it's a shame we need media police to monitor misinformation and bias from both sides. That was the point of my post -- not to judge the credibility of any one group or another. If you think Media Matters is pointing out the ONLY instances of misinformation in MSM, I'd say you're wrong. Ditto if you think MRC has an exclusive on pointing out misinformation. It comes from both sides.

As Aaron rightly said above: "...sometimes we choose to tune in to the bias that most represents our worldviews." May your media intake be enjoyable!

Sorry. My bad.

Surely it's My Bad. It's been a cynical day. I had to deal with sysadmins who are always right, even when they're wrong. That takes a toll.

BUT, I repectfully note that you did it again. In the course of explaining that you were not commenting on the credibility of either one, and after admitting you had not even looked at them until today, you said that

So that's half the facts, half the story

You actually did it twice:

MRC seems to be going at it from their side of the aisle, too -- again, half the facts, half the story.

So, despite not knowing much about either, and during an admission of same, you equated them... twice. "half" is half or in other words equal. Here it is, folks, a debate about media Matters vs. MRC, with the discusson debating if they are equally biased or not. Success for the propgandists, for sure. As I said before, I doubt anyone credible would have ever been able to start a discussion about MRC and Media Matters being comparable in credibility.

Nothing personal, pleeker. I'm a complete amateur at poly sci and media. I don't always play too well with others, either. I'm just enjoying blog freedom, where I get to call it as I see it.

to be fair...

Bill O'Reilly's view on Media Matters
meltdown in 5 4 3 2 ... :)

Falafel Bill

Bill O'Reilly's view on Media Matters
meltdown in 5 4 3 2 ... :)

Bill doesn't like those who have read history books:

my new postfix for all non-technical commentary

Yawn. Divide divide divide. Two party system, split support, "look! over here! argue this!" yawn.

I think I'll start adding this to the end of any opinion piece. It seems to work well for others:

...Much of this was confirmed by information from Russia after the end of the cold war.

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