Billions of New Web Addresses To Be Created

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Interesting article in The Times about IPV6 and what they are doing to get ready for the next round of domains. Spammers start your engines ;)

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Of the internet addresses available, more than three quarters are already in use, and the remainder are expected to be assigned by 2009. So, what will happen as more people in developing countries come online? The answer is IPv6, a new internet protocol that has more spaces than the old one: 340,282,366,920,938,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000 spaces, in fact. “Currently there’s four billion addresses available and there are six billion humans on Earth, so there’s obviously an issue there,” said David Kessens, chairman of the IPv6 working group at RIPE, one of five regional internet registries in charge of rolling it out.

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Interesting statisics

The statistics at the end of that article are interesting.

'50 billion the number of e-mails dispatched every day' - that's a lot more than I would have thought.

'88 per cent of e-mails are junk' - I think mines a little higher than that.

'32 The average number of e-mail messages received per person per day.' - mines definitely higher!

'440 million the number of electronic mailboxes in use' - now this one I thought would have been higher. Are they actually saying that there are only 440 million email addresses being used? So less than 1/6 of the population has an email address?

IPs not domains

I think somebody has to point out that this is *not* about domains. It's about IP-addresses.

With this change there will be many times more IP-adresses than there will be domains. The number of available domains will not increase because you make more IP-adresses available.

I first I thought it was

I first I thought it was about domains too, or the number of characters allowed in a domain, but then realized it was IP addresses.

Good clarification...

Claus

This will change Every Thing

It hasn't been since the late 80s that there were enough IPs for every one that wanted one.

IP addresses will be so plentiful when IPv6 is universally deployed that a heretofore expensive property will be virtually worthless.

IP addresses are currently assigned in 4-ip blocks by ICANN. One uses a virtual dedicated server or better for a unique IP at roughly $30 - $50 per month. My dedicated box, on the very low end of the price spectrum, is $70 for a 2.8 GHz Duron w/ 1 gig of RAM, 80 GB harddrive and a 100 Mbps port. Of that $70, the 4 IPs cost me $20.

No longer will we have ot have DHCP to connect to ISPs. In fact, there are many legal reasons why we will have fixed IPs like all business connections. No longer will we be able to effortlessly rejoin IRC channels after being frivilously banned; no longer will we have the slightest illusion of privacy. Our future IPs will probably be assigned to us based upon the physical address of the connection or some other metric tying it directly to our identities.

brave new world and all that.

Cracksmoker?

IP addresses are currently assigned in 4-ip blocks by ICANN.

Umm...

No, IP addresses are assigned by ARIN, RIPE, APNIC, etc. And now you really can't get your own assignment less than /21.

If you're getting 4 IPs, they're just designated within your ISP or hosting company. You have no right to them if, for example, you change ISPs.

They may SWIP the block (Shared WhoIs Project) to allow someone looking up information on the IPs to know that you've been assigned them by your bandwidth provider, but that doesn't really represent any real form of transfer of control, it's just for additional information.

Of course, though, with IPv6, assignments to anyone who wants them will be given far more freely...

Personal IPs

Probably we will be able to buy a personal IP, just like a phone number.

Now more than one domain can point to one IP -- the case almost everywhere -- with this there will be many times more IPs than domains. So where does that put the value of a good domain name?

Vanity IP's

So will clever folks start marketing and selling cool/easy to remeber IP's ?

Will there be a secondary market for transfering clean IP's? This used to be a "edu" IP so run your crappy toolbar traffic through it for more trust? This IP was only used by a little old lady to look church bulletins once a week ...

Vanity IPs

My old Houston RoadRunner IP had to have been one of the quantifiably best 32-bit IP in existence:

24.242.232.42

How easy is that?!

Sadly, in the future (it's been delayed longer than Doom 3 (no, seriously)). They've tried to make it simplier but I'm afraid it doesn't help much.

Take the IPv6 2001:0db8:0000:0000:0000:0000:1428:57ab. This can ostensibly shortened to 2001:0db8::1428:57ab Just imagine having to tell some one it!

Now, I can say "connect to my SOAP server at 72.36.202.170"; there's no way I can do the equiv w/ IPv6. This is one of the primary frictions (of many) keeping it from being more widely implemented some 12 years after it was formalized.

IPv4 won't run out until some time next year. Currently, entire continents (Africa and Australia) have less than one Class A subsection assigned; Asia only has ~3. The problems for adoption are muddled even more by the three most profilic users of IP addresses -- China, South Korea, and Japan -- in that area have already *fully* adopted IPv6 and thus are not nearly as squeezed as Australia.

Article full of BS

First, IPv4 is 32-bits, not the 16-bits the article claims (that would only give 65,536 possible addresses). Second, IPv6 is 128 bits, but only 64 bits of that will be reserved for every individual person. 2^64 = 18 446 744 073 709 551 616; so I guess every person can have a million personal devices with their own IPs and we won't run out in that namespace until the Milky Way is ours :-)

The article mentions how it will somehow make things easier for VoIP and filesharing? Um... every packet that's transferred over the Interweb contains the source and destination IPs. That's a full 64 bits (or 8 bytes) out of a common packet size of ~1500 bytes for most broadband. (1/2 a percent). When we move to IPv6, which won't change the "pipes" or protocols at all, the IPs will make up 2.1%. So every thing that sends a lot of small packets really quickly where the uplinks are not faster than the downlinks (filesharing, voip) will actulaly suffer degradation.

(I make my own P2P app :-)

economic agendas

Economic agendas at work. Everyone now repeat after me "wow...we sure need IPv6! I can't wait for the salvation IPv6 gives us. Ge, when will they *finally* bring us IPv6??"

The last thing I want is a set of fixed IP's assigned to me for life. Get a block at birth assigned to your ss#, and if you ever run out you can apply for a new one but with over a million assigned to me, that'll never happen.

One of these days they will bring out a new definition of privacy (probably via MySpace, probably related to advertising), and in 1.5 generations no one will know there was ever such a thing as what we today call privacy.

This thread is a little...

...well, scary! :)

SB

Can someone explain to me

Can someone explain to me how this works?

Do they just add another quartet?

now: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

future: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

Is that what this means?

No, its 4 more quartets : a

No, its 4 more quartets : a massive increase in the number available addresses. There's some additional tweaks in there to do with how the IP packet headers are constructed - essentially making it simpler. There's also going to be a more informed allacation policy - many of the problems with v4 are related to short-sighted decisions in the early days.

More spam

Now everyone will have there subdomain/uniq ip etc. Google look for more bad data push.

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