PR 10 via 301

Thread Title: Brilliant Programmer Successfully Fools Google (not) Thread Url: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=4473 Thread Description:

From DigitalPpoint.

I thought this was interesting, especially in the context of link building and for those who purchase links based on the color of the greenbar.

The thread discusses a site that cloaked for Google and 301'ed requests from Googlebot back to Google.com...come the ToolBar update the sneaky old so and so's home page went PR 10. The cache is a bit of a giveaway as it shows the Google home page, plus all the backlinks are from, yup Google.com

Something to consider in any future link purchasing endeavours. Caveat Emptor!

Syndication = Money :: Big Money

Thread Title: Mary Meeker Smells the Yahoo Money in Syndication Thread Url: http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/002885.html Thread Description:

Jeremey Zowodny talks about a Market Watch story on blogs, money, syndication and Yahoo!

In a new research report, Mary Meeker writes that the inclusion of syndicated news feeds -- known as RSS, as in "rich site summary" or "really simple syndication" -- in Yahoo's My Yahoo page is playing a key role in driving blog readership and RSS usage. More readers translate into more advertising revenue opportunities, she reasons.

3 out of 4 SEM's are Idiots - JupiterResearch

Thread Title: Report: Three out of Four Search Marketers 'Unsophisticated' Thread Url: http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=2411 Thread Description:

Well, okay, they didnt actually say that, but it's what it means... Mediapost Piece

According to SEW members it's more than true:

NFFC said:

I think they are way out, 99 out of 100 is nearer the mark, imho.

Yahoo Mobile Search Launches

Thread Title: Yahoo Search, Now on Your Cell Phone Thread Url: http://www.ysearchblog.com/archives/000040.html Thread Description:

Y! have just launched their Y! Moble Search service. Along with a few other goodies.

mobile.yahoo.com/search

The Mobile version of Yahoo! Local shares data with the on-line version. So not only can you use ratings to find the plumber with the best service or the best pizza place, your personal preferences will follow you onto your cell phone. Save a location on Yahoo! Local and it'll show up on your mobile to

RSS Spam - New Garbage or New Opportunity?

Thread Title: Spam Finds it's Way to RSS Feeds? Thread Url: http://www.searchenginelowdown.com/2004/10/spam-finds-its-way-to-rss-feeds.html Thread Description:

Andy Beal reports finding spam in his rss aggregator. It's enevitable of course but it's really quite astonishing that this isnt more of a problem already. You can do amazing things with RSS - all manner of SEO related techniques and skullduggery but the general "hit as many as you can with somthing stupid" approach to UCE will not be welcome.

Personally i love good spam, it's a shame that most that practice it are unskilled monkeys.

Targeting Local Search

Thread Title: Targetting Local Search Thread Url: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum5/5559.htm Thread Description:

WMW moderator pageoneresults gives a practical example of some of the basic on site ways in which one can target local search. It's a good post on it's own, but at the time of writing, it's on it's own! - Let's hope some others pick up the thread, it's an interesting subject if you work for clients with limited distribution/sales areas.

One of the very first issues we needed to address were all of those visitors finding the client using general search terms and not refining their search to their local area. It's great to have the #1 position for a money term but, only if it brings an ROI. In some instances, it can have a negative impact as the company will now receive requests from consumers that they cannot service. What do you do in a situation like that?

Advanced Yahoo News Searches & RSS Feeds

Thread Title: Search Tricks #2: News Search Thread Url: http://www.ysearchblog.com/archives/000039.html Thread Description:

Jacob Rosenberg of Yahoo! blogs about some very cool advanced searches you can do on news.yahoo.com

These include searching for news by location, source and category amongst many others. Full details on advanced searches at Y! news can be found here.

Adgooroo - Adwords Competitive Intelligence Tool

Thread Title: Google AdWords Competitive Intelligence Thread Url: http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=2397 Thread Description:

Adgooroo.com

Added: Dont miss the first comment on this post. Adgooroo have kindly offered a discount to Threadwatch readers on top of the free month's trial.

You'll have to be the judge of this one, i know very little of adwords. The feature list looks rather impressive...

AdGooroo can answer a variety of strategic marketing questions, such as:

* Where, when, and how much are my competitors advertising? * What new competitors are entering my industry? * What new campaigns have my clients, prospects, or competitors launched in the past week? * What keywords are my competitors targeting? * How am I positioned relative to my competitors on my most profitable keywords? * Are any of my competitors making unauthorized use of my trademarks? * How have my competitors changed their ad copy over time? * How does my campaign compare to my top competitor’s?

Specific features include:

* Historical archive of competitors' ads * Trademark infringement search * Industry map * Detailed Keyword map * Detailed analysis of competitors' campaigns * Compare two campaigns in a side-by-side fashion * Diagnose "unhealthy" keywords and get recommendations on how to correct them.

Deep Linking - Inbound & Outbound

Thread Title: Link Deep or Link Shallow - Can deeper external links help you out? Thread Url: http://forums.seochat.com/t17440/s.html Thread Description:

SEOChat member and Threadwatch regular randfish starts a mostly speculative debate on the benefits to be gained from large numbers of inbound deeplinks. The thread also covers outbound deep links.

I see two good arguments for why linking deep could be more beneficial than linking to the the homepage. First, it's logical to assume that a site with many links to its internal pages has good content (otherwise, why would links be pointing there) and it seems more 'natural' and 'organic'. Second, the boost to secondary pages will still provide the site with same overall PR amount if proper internal linking is conducted & hilltop algo could easily be tweaked by Google to include 'expert documents' helping to form an 'authority site'.

If this interests you and you missed this thread about calculating your deep link ratio then check it out while your at it..

Theories on the Mechanics of Queries & Future Algo Implimentations

Thread Title: googles signals and Load balancing Thread Url: http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=2367 Thread Description:

SEW member DaveN speculates quite convincingly on the mechanics involved in a Google search and at what point in the process big G would be able to inject additional ranking factors.

what if Google’s signals ran after the GWS got the speller chacker info and Ads, could they not run a blacklist, spam list, white list or just an extra filter via ip location making the results almost different of everyone… we guess that local search could go live on all G DC’s meaning that if you live in Washington DC and search of “mobile phones” a extra boost would be given to companies that operate from DC ,

what if you linked to a mobile phone site and your site was about coffee mugs then give you a -10 or -20 pen, would that not stop pr selling.. anyway food for thought

Good natured disagreement from fellow search geek Jeremy Goodrich follows and Dodger throws MapReduce and the infamous florida update theory into the mix.

Hard hitting stuff.

On a lighter note, Dave's drive for more repuation points appears to be going very well, the mans a born spammer, i tip my hat to him!

Linking to File Types .zip .pdf .exe - Adds Weight to Pages?

Thread Title: Variety of File Formats Thread Url: http://forums.seochat.com/t17406/s.html Thread Description:

SEOChat memeber Jasontnyc talks about the possiblilty of linking from a page to various file formats like .zip and .exe giving extra weight to them for ranking.

The reasons I think the theory is valid: A variety of file types usually means a site with lots of information such as user guides, service info, etc which could be seen as a benefit Sites with .zip links probably are offering software downloads which could be seen as a benefit etc, etc

Until it's tested, that's exactly what it looks like of course, pure speculation but it is an interesting theory is it not?

The thread itself is interesting as a whole too, check it out... [ Warning ] Dodgy Avatar Alert!

Wiki's - Unchartered SEO Waters

Thread Title: Anyone using Wiki's Here? Thread Url: http://www.v7n.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14467 Thread Description:

Publishing technologies are fun. I like to use them, play with them and find good uses for them for SEO/publishing.

So what about the Wiki? - I asked about this over at V7N and although it's not a huge thread, it's starting to produce some nice links and information.

I do have a nice Wiki given to me by rcjordan who waxed lyrical on the virtues of Wiki's and personal work space recently but i've yet to have mustered jp the good manners or time to install the damn thing lol!

So, are there any threadwatch seo's using wikis to good advantage or is it just me looking at this?

Europeans Join Brits in Saying F.U. SEMPO

Thread Title: UK and mainland Europe search engine marketers unite. Thread Url: http://www.e-marketing-news.co.uk/Oct04/sma-eu.html Thread Description:

Headed up initially by Denmarks Mikkel deMib Svendsen EU search marketers join the SMA-UK in rejecting the kids playing office search community laughing stock SEMPO and form SMA-EU.

"The interest and support from all over Europe has been far larger than we expected, with SEM's from several countries asking how they could get involved. We look forward to assisting them in jointly promoting and educating people on search marketing in Europe" said Barry Lloyd, acting chairman SMA-UK.

PHP PR Check Script

Thread Title: Php Pagerank checker Thread Url: http://forums.seochat.com/t17286/s.html Thread Description:

Here's a fun little code snippet, just download this script and edit the top bit to point to your url and then rename it to pr.php - Plonk it in a live webserver and point your browser at it. Thanks to SEOChat member LiGhTen for providing the script. If he makes it available online I'll point the download url to it..

Arelis - Everything You Ever Wanted to Know

Thread Title: arelis link building SEO software Thread Url: http://www.seo-guy.com/forum/thread2915.html Thread Description:

Not using Arelis? - Me niether, but i have often thought about it. This thread has been going for about a month and is still going strong - Plenty of chit chat to wade through but if you're thinking of pulling out your credit card anytime soon it's well worth a look.

Here's a quote from seo-guy member seokid to give you a feel for it:

I'd say that about 50% of the sites are worth emailing if you set the keyword search to something vague like pharmacy or investing. But when you can have it find you 500 sites in about 20 mintues, I'll take the wading anyday. Total time is about 45 minutes from start to finish to find 500 sites and end up emailing about 200 - 250 of them. For that 45 minutes I'll get about 10 - 15 good link partners sometimes a bit more, has not been less than 10 yet. Those are not just reponses either but 10 - 15 sites that I would love to have a link from. On the other hand when I do a search for something like software, you get a lot of crap that you have to weed through.

Search Engine Friendly Blog Scripts

Thread Title: Blogs and SEO Thread Url: http://forums.seochat.com/t16765/s.html Thread Description:

That ole blog bandwagon just keeps on a rollin'...

If you're looking for an SE friendly blog then this thread has some awesome tips from SEOChat mod Pheonix on customizing Movable Type, some tips on working with Blogger.com and a recommendation from yours truly: bBlog.

Threadwatch Weekly Round Up - 18th - 24th Oct 2004

It's been a great week for threadwatch, member thread submissions were up and participation was at an all time high. This week has focused mainly on linking and ethics. Here's the best of the best with news and mayhem threads largely filtered out.

Dynamic vs Static Sites & SEO - Dispelling a few Myths

Thread Title: Can a dynamic site beat a correctly SEO Static Site Thread Url: http://www.webworkshop.net/seoforum/viewtopic.php?t=3645 Thread Description:

It always amazes me just a little just how many professional SEO's and web developers just dont get the whole dynamic site concept. Even now, with oodles of great SE friendly CMS's and Cart systems available we still hear bollocks about PR, crawling and other such SEO related concerns.

This thread is about 50% chit chat, but the other half is well worth a look if you are in any doubt as to dynamic vs static site creation and ranking.

Nice contributions from admin PhilC of web workshop and others make this a enlightening read if you're not already up to speed.

Local Context Analysis - SEO's & Eggheads Unite

Thread Title: Local Context Analysis Thread Url: http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=2030 Thread Description:

More good stuff from SEW member orion, with some excellent dumbing down from kali.

Advanced LInk Aquisition Methods & Privacy

Thread Title: The Right way to Count Links? Thread Url: http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=2296 Thread Description:

WMW mod and SEW member DaveN talks about ways to count backlinks, filter results for viable and valuable potential link aquisitions and some advanced methods for scoping out sites without attracting the attention of Goolge through use of the dreaded toolbar.

I've had to wait a while whilst this thread developed but bethabernathy got a little more than she bargained for (as did the rest of us) when she asked a simple question about counting backlinks.

Thankyou DaveN, superb discussion filled with things to make and do :-) - here's a couple of quotes to give you an idea of what's in this one:

the way i do it, is spider the first 1000 results, then collect all the larger sites and remove them in the spider query and spider again then build a database

collect all the page rank of all the pages then run them throw a IP checker remove all the Urls from the same Class C and then start at the top in PR order..

and start requesting links

well i have not used toolbar since I became a mod at wmw, I reckon that google would soon pick up on forum urls That where private ... like the backrooms.. once they had found those from toolbar data my days would be numbered... so we developed a pagerank extactor that ran Via proxies and always checked an extra 80% of domains that i did not need...

Later I join a partnership with some computer hardware suppliers to always install the ISP dial-up that I own with the Googletool install and yes you guessed it they all go through my Proxies ... just to put up a larger smoke screen..