Google has a really poor record

My honest opinion @annadmin is that if they did not get outed,they'd be fine....and even though they got outed based on the history sites like thumbtack that get hit issue an apology and then they get out very fast...same thing for bigger companies...I will say that in general, they don't go back to the same level but get out fast....two non-google examples are rap genius and interflora...they got out in about 10 days! As far as google properties retail me not is one of the few success stories out there of fast panda recovery...they were only hit for a couple monthsAlso, for a number of these sites, they got outed or lets just say it was *very* well known by players in their respective niches what tactics were being used.I am sure that thumbtacks tactics were very well known to their competitors and the people following their niche...

Trying to discern between what % of this is pr and what percent of this is real ...i don't think you can ever really know...To googles credit, they're a big organization...how is their webspam team supposed to know what their acquisitions do? Also to googles credit, in some cases, there may be a sense of too big to fail on the internet (and I say this as a point of discussion) ...is it a bad user experience for when a user searches 'buy washing machines' to not see Sears in the results or when you search or with some of the deeper penalties when you don't rank for your brand name any more..one can argue that when you search 'rap genius' looking for the site and you don't see it...that that may be a bad experience for a Google end user

now I will sit back and wait between a week and one month for thumbtack to recover...rapgenius was using the same tactics and was out in 10 days after issuing their sorry but we're not sorry public statement :P

I'm not sure if it is exactly numbers

My guess is that  it is more about patterns than specific numbers and what % a given percentage represents for an overall backlink profile. I also think there is a factor with at what velocity you get the links. In the past, getting 1,000's of link in one day means that you were agressively link building. Now, I think it could be that or it could be a competitor or otherwise spam attack on your site....

Also, I think that this change is really coming late in the game. They should have really released this update to the guidelines before the release of Penguin, I think...

 

I'm not sure if it is exactly numbers

My guess is that  it is more about patterns than specific numbers and what % a given percentage represents for an overall backlink profile. I also think there is a factor with at what velocity you get the links. In the past, getting 1,000's of link in one day means that you were agressively link building. Now, I think it could be that or it could be a competitor or otherwise spam attack on your site....

Also, I think that this change is really coming late in the game. They should have really released this update to the guidelines before the release of Penguin, I think...

 

small correction

I could not find a way to edit my post here...

  • Linking to web spammers or unrelated sites with the intent to manipulate PageRank
  • Links that are inserted into articles with little coherence

those are lines that that they removed from the guidelines

Regarding your bad neighborhood question...I think that if you have the comment links nofollowed, that should be fine...

small correction

I could not find a way to edit my post here...

  • Linking to web spammers or unrelated sites with the intent to manipulate PageRank
  • Links that are inserted into articles with little coherence

those are lines that that they removed from the guidelines

Regarding your bad neighborhood question...I think that if you have the comment links nofollowed, that should be fine...

small correction

I could not find a way to edit my post here...

  • Linking to web spammers or unrelated sites with the intent to manipulate PageRank
  • Links that are inserted into articles with little coherence

those are lines that that they removed from the guidelines

Regarding your bad neighborhood question...I think that if you have the comment links nofollowed, that should be fine...

yehh

I think Google is just so much more commerically focused....I think it is when products like this go away it shows how much more bottom line focused google has become...I remember when Google Labs and igoogle went away....I had a little bit of a WTF moment about those....like...how much resources does it take to support google sets. Aw-well..

there are a lot of weird things going on with their link data

I noticed that when you export the data at different times (like days or so apart) the data set is a little bit different...literally different number of rows and different sampling of links WTF ....sometimes I wonder if they're developing this process literally AS they're trying to teach people how to use them ...

weird indeed

Apparently the have taken it down, citing bugs ... http://searchengineland.com/google-says-snag-has-taken-manual-spam-actions-viewer-offline-169396 . They're saying that it is going to be back up in a couple days but I guess lets see. This would not be the first time that google giveth and taketh away features from GWMT...

 

google used to be a very good steward of very private data...

A little bit ago, I read about "don't expect privacy when sending gmail" http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/14/google-gmail-users-privacy-email-lawsuit ... eek

however, I guess this that's the price of free...