Are Samsung losses first sign of Vista flop?

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Samsung has announced that their first quarter profit has fallen 15% on the same period last year, their worse earnings report in four years.

Stronger-than-expected demand for DRAM chips in 2006 prompted manufacturers to switch more production capacity to DRAM from less-profitable NAND flash, leading to an oversupply of DRAM, while demand linked to Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system has been sluggish.

Is this the first sign that Vista has been a marketing flop? MS will still have Vista installed on new computers but losing out on the upgrades would hit them hard. I’ve had a quick look at the system and I'm struggling to see a reason to upgrade from XP. Do any TW members know of any?

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Vista Sucks

I mean big time. The way I see Vista is XP with less options and cool graphics (it's see-through!), hell, half the time I can't connect to a router while other XP users can do no problem.

Yep that's pretty much the

Yep that's pretty much the feedback I've had so far. From what I heard they had to rip out all the bits that would make it worth upgrading in order to meet the (already late) production deadline.

If they can't even sell it to people in the tech industry, what hope to they have getting everyone else to pay for an upgrade?

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losing out on the upgrades would hit them hard. I’ve had a quick look at the system and I'm struggling to see a reason to upgrade from XP. Do any TW members know of any?

There was excatly the same thing when XP came out. Increased hardware requirements, a bit on the buggy side, people unsure what benefit it would provide....

How many people actually upgraded an old machine to XP in say the first year?
There are still plenty of people using Win 2000 now.

The main difference now is that XP is actually fairly decent. Pre-XP you had 2000 for the business bods, but home users either hated ME, or were sticking with the more trusty 98, which did crash a hell of a lot more than XP does. So Vista's got a tougher act to follow.

Besides, if Vista is a flop, I don't know what to call OSX. Vista hasn't been out long, but already accounts for 3% of visitors on some sites I've got stats for, compared to about 6% for 'Macintosh'. That's over the last 30 days, with page views of about 6mill and visitors of about half a mill.
In another few months that could easily be overtaking OSX, and it's a flop?

The main difference now is

The main difference now is that XP is actually fairly decent. Pre-XP you had 2000 for the business bods, but home users either hated ME, or were sticking with the more trusty 98, which did crash a hell of a lot more than XP does. So Vista's got a tougher act to follow.

Yep I went from 98 to XP and it was a solid move. I just can't see the benefits in moving to Vista.

I'm sure it will take some market share but considering the PR leading up to Vista I'm frankly a bit disappointed. I'm been more impressed with the strides that Ubuntu has made - Vista maybe the best thing that ever happened to them.

I don't know what would qualify Vista to be a flop, that's an interesting point. I guess MS have to keep returning a profit on the same quarter last year for the market to be happy. If 6% is a steady or increase on the market share for Macintosh, then I guess that counts as a success. If MS doesn't get the upgrades (as happened with ME) that is bound to hit the bottom line.

Was hesitant to move from 98

Was hesitant to move from 98 to XP, but was sold on the stability.

XP to Vista doesn't really sell me any benefits - I get prettier graphics and ... ???

Also - most PC's these days have such great hardware specs that they seriously do not need "upgrading" for normal use unless for very serious gaming or media production.

Therefore I don't see any real argument to "upgrade" to Vista personally.

>>but already accounts for 3%

That's due to the fact that almost all new computers come pre-installed with Vista. A large percentage of the population simply buys their computer off the rack.

I went from ...

I went from Windows 95 to 98 to Win2K to XP.

As a web designer/developer, I run a lot of graphics-intensive programs *at the same time*; with Win98, I'd have to close a program to run others, plus reboot quite a lot (I got pretty good at detecting when it was time to reboot). I finally asked our computer/network guy what I'd need to get in order to stop rebooting; his answer was: Win2K and as much RAM as I could afford. That advice has stood me in good stead since then.

Really, the only reason I went to XP was that I bought a new machine last summer. It's been fine so far. Don't recall a crash yet even though I typically run at least one browser, email program, Mailwasher, Photoshop, Dreamweaver, and maybe Illustrator and a few games all at once. I never close any programs in order to run others (and haven't since Win2K). But then, I had 1G RAM on the Win2K machine, and 4G on this XP machine. It works.

That said, this thread isn't about XP. I can't see myself moving to Vista *because I don't need it*. I'm also heartened by the recent Dell (and HP?) offering of Linux machines. If that becomes more used, then perhaps the third party software makers will ensure that their software runs on Linux without a Windows emulator. Although, now that I think about it, I'm not too crazy about the idea of having to repurchase thousands of dollars of software for another OS.

assimilate

You complain now but eventually you will need a new computer, and hopefully by then SP1 has been released... and eventually you will start to see Vista only software and peripherals and games that need the latest whatever that only works on Vista and etc etc.. we've been here before.

Unless non-windows PC's start selling for hundreds of dollars less, you will always get the windows PC and install Linux on your own... and then switch back to Windows when you realize there is almost nothing desktop users can do in Linux that they can't do in Windows, but there are many things they can do in Windows they can't do in Linux... and since win2k it's not that bad, you rarely need to reboot your machine anymore... but you'll still visit the kde.org website every 6 months or so to checkout the latest screenshots... sound familiar to anyone?

Samsung vs. Vista

New computer sales are down which has nothing to do with Vista or Samsung. Vista adoption will improve when people buy new computers, which is how we ended up with Vista when my wife had to get a new laptop.

I think a few things are at play here:

1) Many people have computers that are working perfectly fine and meets all their needs as XP isn't quite the buggy pile of crap it's predecessors were and can run for weeks or months without a reboot. When Win 3.1, 95, 98 and ME came out we knew we had to upgrade just to stop all the crashing. Then Win 2K and XP were stable and there weren't any real compelling applications that require the upgrade for either which has been the driving force in past upgrades.

2) Most people aren't willing to be the guinea pigs with a new OS until they see that all the software and hardware works properly on Vista which currently isn't the case. When all of the mission critical software is Vista certified and there are drivers available to fully support our older peripherals (printers, scanners, etc.) some might consider a new OS or new computer altogether.

3) Upgrading Vista requires extra hardware in most cases. Why upgrade an existing machine, yeah right like Vista will even run on my computer, if you need to buy another bank of memory and/or video card? If you continue on with XP which works just fine at no additional cost you don't need the extra memory. Just wait and buy a new computer later with Vista pre-installed, less hassle.

@Dudibob

Had the same problem with routers and here's why:

Vista appears to have 2 MAC addresses and I lock my wireless router down to static IP's issued to known MAC addresses and everyone else gets the boot. The Vista laptop got the boot from the router periodically and that's when I noticed it was using a different MAC address.

Turns out there's an internal bridge in Vista which you need to disable so you only use 1 MAC address and then the router problems will pretty much go away.

This 'feature' will drive the average wireless Joe insane and they'll think the laptop is just broken.

and then switch back to

and then switch back to Windows when you realize there is almost nothing desktop users can do in Linux that they can't do in Windows, but there are many things they can do in Windows they can't do in Linux

Heh yep pretty true. However I dual boot my new laptop with Ubuntu/XP Pro. I have my link building team on Ubuntu now as they basically just need an email client and a browser (office has been replaced by our internal CMS). The programmers are pretty sure they could move over.

I still need some windows tools and my web designers need graphic programs too - Gimp doesn't cut it and wine only works for the v. old versions (photoshop 6).

Still I'll keep checking the kde.org website every 6 months :)

I certainly think Vista is a

I certainly think Vista is a flop. Just look at major computer retailers such as Dell that have gone out of their way to provide XP versions because of demand. But I also don't blame everything on Microsoft here, I think the market is just wiser. XP is a solid operating system, and there really isn't a reason to switch right now. The system requirements for Vista more or less requires a newer computer as well. Throw in the issues with drivers and it's going to take Microsoft forcing it on users to get through (which they are planning on doing).

I upgraded to Vista when I

I upgraded to Vista when I bought a new hard drive and was going to do a brand new install anyway.

Would I have bothered otherwise?
Nope - nothing in there that is a deal breaker.

....but I do like it and have had no problems so far.

I also tried out Office 2007 (yeah, I know, not Vista specific) - jeez! that lasted about 5 minutes. Whole new interface that reduced my efficiency - I don't have time to learn a new interface FFS! Also, Outlook 2007 seemed to be a pile of bug ridden doodoo.

That off my chest, I still like Vista, just not enough to try and convince anyone they should upgrade.

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