Breaking the Glass Ceiling

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Back in the day Threadwatch was more like a men's club.  There were like 5 women regulars?  Something pathetic like that.  So now, 5 years later, more women are in online marketing, social, web design, content, forums ownership, analytics...so I wonder how Threadwatch will adapt?

No matter. I still plan to come here with guns raised, leapord skin leggings, knee high pure leather with fringe boots, wind blowing in my hair, carrying my backpack of computer devices, camera, biz cards, and let's see, my Cre8asiteforums T-shirt or my Internet Marketing Ninjas t-shirt...which to wear now?

Looking forward and excited about seeing new faces and the return of some of the older hard core folks who were brave enough to cut the fluff and get down to brass tacks.

And the new women in this biz who are just as tough and brilliant.

 

 

 

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Let's do it :)

I am with you, Kim :) My Tshirt is ready!

Kim, with all due respect,

Kim, with all due respect, it's about value really, not about having more women or less men or more people with non-traditional sexual orientation or racial diversity or any such stuff.

Cough cough... http://conferencequotas.com

Honestly ladies, if the

Honestly ladies, if the comments are premodded on here like they are now it will throw TW right back into oblivion and will be a much more serious problem than having more or less women on here... Let's just not go that route.

Girl power!

Had fun here back in the day, and hope to have more fun here now. Memories...light the corners of my mind... Oh wait, that's just cobwebs dusted with dew, never mind. :)

I yearn for more particpants

I yearn for more particpants whatever their sex - I'm pro male TWer, female TWer and if we are priveledged enough to get some as many hemaphrodite TWers as we can find.My view is someone's sex is irrelevant to the quality of the words their fingers, bashing away on the keyboard, can deliver. Bring on more keyboard bashing please.....

I was not aware

of Threadwatch being a male only enviroment Kim and look forward to seeing your posts and many others like you who I have followed for years on forums

SEO Bra Burners

Just what we need, a bunch lof saggy old milk bags trying to run the place.

Just kidding.

On a more serious note, I'm actually shocked that of all the computer jobs that SEO isn't dominated by women because they do have better language and analytical skills than most men yet, as in other computer related fields, they lag behind in numbers.

I've known women in higher level jobs that still have insecurity issues and are constantly second guessing whether they have the skill level required to do the job.

Compare this to many men who often think they can do any job they are completely unqualified to do, including the one they currently have!

That's the difference.

Now explain why some women come to interviews for computer jobs dressed up like street walkers complete with 10 layers of makeup, fishnet stockings, and enough perfume that the insects thought the building was being fumigated and started running out of the walls.

Re: Pre-moderation

If you saw the amount of spam that has to be filtered, you won't be so sure! Spam has evolved a lot since TW was last live, and we are looking for some reliable Drupal modules to solve this... Wordpress is easier for me, Drup is pretty much an unknown planet, but this will be solved asap!

SEO Bra Burners

Just what we need, a bunch lof saggy old milk bags trying to run the place.

Just kidding.

On a more serious note, I'm actually shocked that of all the computer jobs that SEO isn't dominated by women because they do have better language and analytical skills than most men yet, as in other computer related fields, they lag behind in numbers.

I've known women in higher level jobs that still have insecurity issues and are constantly second guessing whether they have the skill level required to do the job.

Compare this to many men who often think they can do any job they are completely unqualified to do, including the one they currently have!

That's the difference.

Now explain why some women come to interviews for computer jobs dressed up like street walkers complete with 10 layers of makeup, fishnet stockings, and enough perfume that the insects thought the building was being fumigated and started running out of the walls.

Love the Outfit Kim!

Thanks for the visual. I can totally see ya!

I posted a bit at the old TW and the male/female ratio never bothered me. I'm used to being one of the only women in the room in most industries. But the more great minds as we can get involved here of either sex, the better for all. (Milk bags and all - LOL Bill!)

Ann have you thought about moving to Vbull? Think it has the best spam options bar none and other features that would make your life and ours easier too.

 

Bummer about pre-mod

I understand because of Cre8 and what being hammered with spam is all about and hope there's a solution because if TW catches on fire you'll need 24/7 staff to approve comments and topics.

TW was not for the faint of heart and never for any girlie girl or sensitive folk, which is why it was so fun or intimidating.  Most of the top SEO women I know are fiesty and tough, and able to debate and not get flustered when someone might push buttons.  

I'm not sure the industry is male dominated anymore.  It looks that way when you go to conferences but it depends on where you go.  The tradeshow floor seems to have more women now, the audience is still male oriented but I see more women each year.  The bars and pubs are a mix but like at the last PubCon, still seemed like it was more men partying.  Unless you are a Ninja.  (wink)

I know of women who are writing SEO content for under the minimum wage, so they won't be here or anywhere as long as crapping SEO content has buyers.  On the other hand, my own daughter (23) is showing a strong interest in online marketing and even applying for a dinky part time job at a local town to do what I fear is lame SEO work (considering what they want to pay her) but she's wanting the learning opportunity and I can teach her stuff to increase her skills if she wants.  She see's how the Internet works in that peer group (20-somethings) and has never been afraid of computers.  None of this techie stuff was taught in her school and I think many people, mainly more women (?) kind of fall into this work.  Maybe.

Why do women come to interviews dressed like hookers?  Consider that a blessing.  Clearly they weren't prepped for career and job hunting or they ignored it.  No over achiever type there.  On the other hand, I get nervous if I have to wear anything other than barefeet and jeans, so perhaps these women are building self confidence.  Ha ha.  

 

Hmmm... I rarely think about

Hmmm... I rarely think about the gender of a poster. Most of the time you can't figure it out from the handle anyway.

But - there are t-shirts? Where do I get mine? ... Its one of those order your own things, isnt it... ;)

Re: Bummer about pre-mod

The dev team is looking for a good solution to fight spam (they just lack experience with Drupal). As soon as we have something, they'll open comments (give us a day or so!)

Tons of respect to Linda and

Tons of respect to Linda and Donna and great to see you both back here :)

Oh geez...

Do we need to start with the gendar wars already?   If there's an industry where the "glass ceiling" issue does not apply, it has to be this one.  I love Kim and she'd probably disagree with me (which is why I love her), but I always feel like we're perpetuating an issue that doesn't exactly exist. 

 

I'm inclined to agree, Lisa

I worked for a fantastic CEO once, that said everyone used to tell her she'd never break through that ceiling. So she just stopped allowing it to exist. Sounds corny, but it worked for her, and it seems to have worked for quite a few others, as well.

I disagree with Lisa

Now let's get our nails done next time I'm up near Troy.

Actually, I agree to a point.  You younger folks have a different road than I did getting into Tech in the 1980's.  I have wounds that exist to this day but clearly I left all those idiots in the dust.  Still love the boss who insisted I should get $5/hr for the 13 websites I maintained for his company and another moron who fired me because I didn't wear expensive dresses to work (I was earning $5.50/hr).  

Regarding the topic choice, I was helping Ann with attracting traffic.  

What glass ceiling?

Some of us are just too busy is all.

 

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1997-08-27/

I wish there was a like

I wish there was a like button...

That Dilbert cartoon...

Has been up on my wall for over fifteen years.

I agree. I think it's enough

I agree. I think it's enough with pushing the women thing. Just get the job done, and it'll be a non-issue anyway. (At least, it always has been for me.)

Are comments pre-moderated?

Are comments pre-moderated?

@DianeV only until we fix

@DianeV only until we fix spam issue which will hopefully happen today!

I remember when we had the TW

I remember when we had the TW do in essex. It was easy to spot the web guys table by be males, equipped with beer bellies and swigging pints.

There is no glass ceiling

I very much relate to what DocSheldon just posted.  The ceiling is only there if you think it is.

In general, I think women are outdoing men in many technical and professional fields when they wish to do so. However if they wish to  balance having children at the same time as maintaining and progressing their career, then that is very challenging however supportive their partner may be.

There is a movement to avoid displaying the gender of participants, which seems to be gaining strength particularly in academic fields.  I think that might be a further help in breaking down whatever barriers people feel exist.

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