SEO B List: Making the Cut

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Andy Hagans offers tips on how to make the SEO B list.

The SEO community is nepotistic, (curiously?) slow-changing, and, above all, tacky. Take it from me, a (fringe) SEO B-lister: making it in the SEO community isnt easy.

Well, its your lucky day. I took a few minutes to write down some helpful tips (which, you’ll notice, also happen to constitute mediocre-grade link bait).

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I thought I was on the SEO

I thought I was on the SEO B-List... And where's mention of Danny or DaveN or Greg or Todd (oilman) or Mr. Battelle - honestly, I'm A- list at best...

And who's this "Aaron" guy? Never heard of him :D

Painfully funny read. One of

Painfully funny read. One of the tough things about writing online, for me, is being accused of linking solely for the "scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" effect.

yer right Rand

Although I'd put Danny and Battelle ABOVE the A-list ;-)

DaveN, Greg, Todd, haven't been blogging as long so they didn't pop up in my mind -- but they definitely should have been on there, too!

Funny

I think the whole A B C... Z even, list/group/camp thing is..hilarious!

There's certainly no shortage of kiss arse link love slut sychophanties! Thats for sure, no names of course..you all KNOW who you are, shameless tarts..;-)

His point is valid. It

His point is valid.

It really is who you know in this business.

And more importantly, it is "who you drink beer with." I have known a lot of people in this business for a long time, but my career didn't take off until I drank beer with them at conferences so they could know me and wanted to do deals with me.

deep earthtone colored nasal region

Andy let me take this opportunity to say how truly great it was to see your smiling face all across the blogosphere recently on all those advertisements. And also let me take this opportunity to point out of all the other SEO bloggers out there you're my favorite ;-)

Well done GW

Well done indeed:)

Graywolf,

Graywolf,

I am glad you liked seeing my smiling face all over the InterWeb. Really NickW is the brains behind the operation, but for a photo op, we gotta send the eye candy (me).

Come to think of it I should have added Graywolf to my list of A-listers, his blog is really great. No seriously, I have it on my Toolbar bookmarks in Firefox.

kiss arse link love slut sychophanties

That explains why I'm on the H list (at best). I know some folks, but I don't publish, I don't do public speaking (though I've been asked a few times), and my lips just aren't flexible enough to slip deep in there and give the bigshots what they need.

Rob, am I a shameless tart!

Robb, am I a shameless tart! W00h00!
/me grabs a mirror fast!

Sorry Greg!
hehehe

Definitely find a niche

This part is excellent advice, and very true:

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The point is, whenever people talk about a certain niche, they will tend to link to the single authority in that niche. Become that authority, and you’ll get a free lifetime stream of links!

I'm always surprised at how many people don't get that!

Is SEO a Popularity Contest?

Do you Guys really think you have to be popular to make it big (in terms of money) as a search marketer? ,maybe its the case if you do consulting but not if you are into affiliate marketing...infact its better to stay under the radar in that case!

No popularity required to

No popularity required to make bank...now that I am doing so many things that take up so much time and am trying to dip the toes in the aff market I am appreciating how much more one can make creating a site a day for about a year straight instead of trying to create a channel that takes 12 hours a day.

under the radar = better

Gopi,

You hit the nail on the head mate.

The sequel to the above post, Why Being an SEO Consultant Stinks and You Should Just Build Affiliate Sites Instead, is yet to be written, but if Andy gets enough requests to write it, he may.

Consulting vs Affiliate Marketing

Consulting is good if you are well connected and can sign clueless Fortune 100 companies otherwise affiliate marketing is the way to go ...

popularity

>>Do you Guys really think you have to be popular to make it big (in terms of money) as a search marketer?

of course not but it really does help those of us that are a bit lazy ;)

>>but not if you are into affiliate marketing

you'd be surprised

What radar?

Somehow I think I'd rather be consulting below the radar.

You are special Oilman

You are special Oilman :)

What radar? The radar of

What radar?

The radar of prospective clients I guess. If I really pushed consulting I would want to be exceptionally visible and charge exceptionally high rates to control demand.

talking heads

Everybody knows TV anchorpersons are the best journalists, right? That's why they get promoted to the big bucks, and that's why people call them to give them exclusive scoops on news items. It's as simple as that.

Likewise, as oilman points out so clearly, the best opportunities are brought to the best seo's in the business. That would be the A list, right?

List Schmist

I would categorize most I've met so far as:

PREMIUM
Clique snobs that only associate with other clique snobs and are legends mostly in their own minds and those smooching their asses

REGULAR
Average SEO Joes that are approachable, even resemble humans without a god complex at events and are even more amusing when intoxicated

DIESEL
The ones just out doing their SEO thing to make a buck that could care less about all the hoopla that isn't paying their bills

Of course, should anyone

Of course, should anyone feel their list grade is falling, they could always be invited to join up for SEO reality show, to help boost their popularity and get back from C to B list.

Matt Cutts could narrate he watches lots of SEO's fighting among themselves, throwing each other out of the SERPs, then vying to be the winner of an otherwise pointless competition.

Hey, wait a minute...

I always wondered why....

anyone would want to be tops in this business anyway. I mean, if you're so good at SEO, why not quietly SEO for your own websites. There absolutely HAS to be a brighter future in building up your own websites for yourself, than there is for building up client websites for someone else.

I always wondered why.... I

I always wondered why....

I think much of it has to do with personal needs. I talk to some people who make well into six figures a month off of autogenerated sites and still do client work.

Some people want money, others want recognitions, and yet others want to feel like they are helping someone or are maybe even a bit lonely and work for clients for reasons like that.

The assumption that money is the main motivation for most people ends up falling short more often than we typically think.

The assumption that money is

The assumption that money is the main motivation for most people ends up falling short more often than we typically think.

Pretty much what Dale Carnegie said too 70 years ago.

why not quietly SEO for your

why not quietly SEO for your own websites

Yeah, D-list is nice. The only client you have to argue with is yourself. Keep your head down, listen to what the As & Bs have to say, go have a few beers with other folks to figure out if the As & Bs know what the heck they're talking about, then (hopefully) take it to the bank.

Linkbait worthy

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regular
diesel

That'd make a good list IncrediBill:)

I thought most folks were very approachable at my first few conferences when I didn't know a soul. Maybe I just approached the right people though.

I will say that I've been snubbed from a few more conversations at SES than at WMW for whatever that is worth.

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vying to be the winner of an otherwise pointless competition.

priceless.

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case if you do consulting but not if you are into affiliate marketing...

That's pretty much my story gopi...not a lot of aff work, and everytime I convinced myself I was gonna really get serious about something, I read a blog or posted instead:)

After a certain point, I think you have to embrace not being under the radar anymore (and go the opposite route) too.

Danny Sullivan pigeonholes

Danny Sullivan pigeonholes the generations of SEOs (evenidentally we are 4th gen now)

Todd and Rand also chimed in.

Andy's post was hilarious.

Andy's post was hilarious. The list, sorry to say it Rand, say more about the writer of the list than about the people on the list. Lists like that inevitably do. Eg. why isn't Brett Tabke among the most known? Like him or not, he is. Anyway, I think that list would have looked differently if another person had made it. Probably a different list for each person.

Also, there is a whole group of people that post exclusively on forums. Yes, even if blogs are invented *lol* Where are they in the grand scheme of things? (said the dog)

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Sidenote: CIML is one of those, AFAIK, posting at WMW (probably a mod too, I don't remember if he still is).

B-List SEO's Need Representation, Too

Consider me surprised that nobody, in this community of the virtual Seinfelds of linkbaiting, has registered www.seoblist.com for the easy juice...

I thought about doing it,

I thought about doing it, then pulling the bait n switch to leverage the link pop it would get... problem is, www.seoblist.com isn't a very good domain for an insurance aff site ;-)

isn't a very good domain for

isn't a very good domain for an insurance aff site

I am not so sure...

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