Keyword Density - Fact or Myth?

Thread Title: Keyword Density: How Much Is Too Much Thread Url: Thread Description:

This thread, started back in August but recently revived, at WebProWorld starts off pretty well but 2/3's into the first post takes a dramatic nose dive as site admin CRich starts talking about sites being banned for too high KW density. If you can filter out the wild conjectures and outright rubbish however, it's a good read. Has some nice links to other threads at other forums also.

Spam can occur when your density exceeds what is the necessary amount to gain a respectable ranking.

Heaven help us all.....

Yahoo's New Look Copycats Google!

Thread Title: Yahoo! Search has a NEW look! Thread Url: Thread Description:

Nacho, one of the mods at SEW has the balls to point out that Y!'s new look aint that new..

Gary Price must have left his spectacles at home today as he totally ignored the blindingly obvious in the SEW Blog

Calculate Your Deep Link Ratio

Thread Title: Calculating Deep Link Ratio Using Yahoo Thread Url: Thread Description:

I just found this at researchbuzz (credited with the threadlink above) The article was written in Sept but apparently slipped most folks by, shame! - It's an absolute cracker of an seo tool devised by Roger Smolski of Text Link Ads that should add just one more nice tool to the seo essentials. At the time of writing i've only played around with it a little but my gut feeling is that it'll be damn useful in scoping out the competion at the very least.

Calculating Your Deep Link Ratio

"The DLR is defined as the ratio (expressed as a percentage) of a sites internal pages inbound links to the total inbound links."

The above link contains a step by step explanation of how to calculate this metric and some explanation of it's possible uses, here's a short excerpt:

It is based on the assumption that (in general), site wide text links placed on sites with extensive deep linking produce higher click-through ratios than those placed on sites with few or no deep links. This is our experience but like so many other factors in off-page optimisation virtually impossible to prove. As is another intuitively correct and similar premise that search engine algorithms show a preference for sites with extensive deep linking.

Interesting stuff...

Threadwatch Weekly Round Up - 11th - 17th Oct 2004

Well, it's been a slower week than last and I was away for a couple of days but there's been some cracking threads nonetheless and thanks to Threadwatch members the flow of information didn't stop with my absense, thankyou. Here's the pick of week with news and forum mayhem threads largely filtered out. Follow the title link above for the list.

Where to Buy Existing Websites

Thread Title: A question about buying web sites.. Thread Url: Thread Description:

<a href="">V7N</a> member <em>wildguy</em> asks the question: <blockquote>When I think of buying a web site, I always think "Ebay." But, there must be other places out there. I prefer an open market rather than going through a broker. Can any of you folks think of additional places where sites are bought and sold on the open market?</blockquote> A nice list of places to buy websites and web businesses follows with a useful list at <a href="">msg5</a> from <em>Rivux</em>.

Cloaking - Search Engines & Tricks of the Trade

Thread Title: Cloaking 101 - Questions and Answers Thread Url: Thread Description:

Im not waiting for somebody else to post this at Threadwatch, so im breaking my ideal of not posting my own threads again!

Fantomasters original post was somewhat buried in an odd thread about 302 redirects. The somewhat legendary industrial strength cloaker, Ralph Tegtmeier of kindly allowed me to quote his post in a new thread at SEW and ask some questions.

Never mind the bollocks, here's a quote to whet your appetite:

On SE's detecting professionally cloaked sites:

detecting cloaking reliably typically requires quite a bit of manpower. Sure you can pre-filter cloaking indicators automatically, e. g. by accessing and saving the site first as a search engine spider and following this visit up via some unknown IP not identified as a search engine spider. However, simply comparing the content automatically isn't reliable: there's so many sites out there displaying dynamic content, it can be real nightmare discerning what is actually legit by the SEs' standards and what isn't. Moreover, there's browser specific content delivery, printer-friendly pages, etc. etc. All this will incur massive overhead in the personnel department and, hence, will blow up costs. Considering that you'd have to cover billions of pages to weed out all cloakers, it only stands to reason that the search engines, while certainly not endorsing the practice, prefer to view cloaked sites as just so much tolerable white noise in their search results.

So while the risk is indeed real, to all practical purposes it's more of an academic scenario.

Do yourself a favour, take that damn hat off, whatever color it may be and get on over there and read it, facinating stuff, thanks Ralph!

Click Through Stats Based on SERPS Position

Thread Title: Click Through Statistics Thread Url: Thread Description:

HR Mod, Randy, provides some excellent info that he's researched regarding the number of clickthroughs one can roughly expect to obtain, depending on the position of your listing in the SERP.

Nothing written in stone here, but Randy does have a number of sites (I think mostly B2C), and a ton of data at his disposal.

Google Backlink Update in Progress

Thread Title: Backlink Update In Prorgress 10/16 Thread Url: Thread Description:

Looks like seochat member bbot has the scoop on the G backlink update (comment if im wrong on this..)

Looks like the real deal to me.

Means almost bugger all of course, but it's kind of fun on an otherwise dull saturday ;-) - bbot certainly seems to think so, i've been chasing him all over the seo forums network for half an hour trying to work out which post came first as he busily posts on each one of them...

Saturday Morning Funny - Contender for Moron of the Week?

Thread Title: "the truth about search engines", article Thread Url: Thread Description:

Im finding it a bit tough to be mean to this guy/girl, maybe im not awake enough yet heh... <a href="">HighRankings</a> member <em>jpmuofu</em> writes about an <a href="">article he found</a> (dont bother, it's crap..) about why SEO is just not an effective way to spend your time and money. er...

Do all Your Visitors Speak English as a First Language?

Thread Title: Negative Constructions and Understanding Thread Url: Thread Description:

I wasn't aware that wmw member buckworks was a copywriting expert on the quite, but this post really got me thinking a little on how we somtimes forget that not everyone speaks English as a first language regardless of what countries your sites target:

We English speakers often use the word "not" or its contractions in ways which don't actually intend negation. We often stick it into a sentence for emphasis or rhythm, rather than because we actually mean "NOT". And people respond to us as if they didn?t hear the ?not?.

Google Desktop Search - Major Security Threat?

Thread Title: Google Desktop Search: Security Threat? Thread Url: http:// Thread Description:

Check this out:

Using Google's new software on a shared computer at the Google booth at the Digital Life trade show floor I was able to easily search for, find, and read private Yahoo e-mail sent on the computer by previous users earlier in the day.

Marissa Mayer, Google's director of consumer Web products, told me she wasn't surprised. "This is not a bug, rather a feature," she says. Google always intended people to be able to index and search Web-based e-mail viewed and composed on PC, she says. Google Desktop Search is not intended to be used on computers that are shared with more than one person, she says.

Whether or not Google intended this, I take great pause at knowing any e-mail I write or read on a PC with Google Desktop Search could be called up and read by a complete stranger.

Thanks to inlogicalbearer who posted the link in this thread over at SEW

Ranking, Spanking and......

Thread Title: Ranking Reporting Software Thread Url: Thread Description:

Looks like Jill over at is as fed up as I am with bloody rank checkers...

Really, they're 2 a penny and half arent worth bothering with but hey, some people like this stuff. HighRankings just moved *all* the ranking tools threads into one big monster sticky one. So, if you wanna play, check it out.

Personally, if i get any more toys to play with I'll never get any real work done at all... these things bore the crap out of me.

Who Owns the Info You Post on Forums?

Thread Title: Who owns a post? Thread Url: Thread Description:

Interesting topic as i've yet to develop much more than a rough set of guidelines here at

Joe asks:

Let's say a person (Joe) has been a member of a forum for several years and has made hundred's of posts. Many of the posts contain links and information that Joe no longer has on his computer but knew he could find with a quick search on the forum.

Firefox/Mozilla Google Toolbars

Thread Title: Mozilla firefox PR bar Thread Url: Thread Description:

Nice list of available toolbars for Mozilla/Firefox users. Personally i like Search Status but i may well have to try the others listed in this SEO Chat thread. Thanks to member darksat for starting this one way back in August...

Some Good Info on the Alt Attribute

Thread Title: Alt Tags and Title Limitations Thread Url: Thread Description:

This thread started out with a bit of a weird post, but took a turn for the better by the third post as the purpose and intent of Alt attributes were further discussed. Plus I got a chance to say "make your site be the best it can be for your users and the search engines" again! :)

Pssst, Want a SE Friendly CMS?

Thread Title: SE Friendly Free CMS Round Up Thread Url: Thread Description:

Okay, so Nick does not like promoing threads he starts, but having used a CMS that I liked but didn't spider worth a darn, I found this list of CMS scripts that will spider well very useful.

Sub Zero Down In Hell This Week?

Thread Title: Mikkel and Dooougie [Ebony and Ivory] in Perfect Harmony Thread Url: Thread Description:

"Gawd Mikkel, Great posts!! Kudos to you."

Combine that with M$ banners at wmw and its been a strange week. Before we know it Jill Whalen and Phil_C will be eloping.

Stop Competitors Probing Your Network

Thread Title: Some very mild blackhat magic Thread Url: Thread Description:

A very nice tip from *nix expert littleman. Heres what it does:

It is just a way of turning off the ping response, but it is an essential step if you want to keep your *task* server hidden. Doing such a thing on a public web server would be nearly meaningless because all one would have to do is make requests to standard ports and see if anything happened.

Google Desktop Search

Thread Title: Google Desktop Search Thread Url: Thread Description:

Includes a link to DS's article on same.

Looking at Linux for Win Users

Thread Title: Test a Linux setup: free & without touching your current Thread Url: Thread Description:

Not much info for SEO but interesting Linux resources in this thread nonetheless. With more web developers and SEO's thinking about switching from Windows to Linux, for security concerns this is a good thread to read.